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FoW, Building upon earlier posting at: http://www.bestthinking.com/thinkers/permalink/6418?tab=blog <http://www.bestthinking.com/thinkers/permalink/6418?tab=blog&title=leland-r -beaumont> &title=leland-r-beaumont And http://globalcircle.wikispaces.com/Seeking+Real+Good+at+Wise+U+II And thinking about the recent appeals by Craig and Alan for a "one axis" solution, I have created the attached slide. At our ordinary level of understanding, we perceive a distinction between efforts to discover "what is real" (e.g. correspondence with reality) and efforts to understand "What is good <http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Virtues/Good> " . (This is illustrated in more detail in the "Real Good at Wise U II image.) But perhaps this is an illusion, a result of our occluded view of how the world is. Perhaps eventually we can "lift the veil" and "see beyond this illusion" and recognize that when we fully understand what is real, when we have removed all veils and errors, it can only be good. Similarly, as we continue to attain a complete understanding of "good <http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Virtues/Good> " it will necessarily have to be real, because we will have tired of unreal fantasies. As a result, as our understating increases both paths converge on an ultimate wisdom. Please let me know what you think. If this holds up I may attempt an animated video that collects and presents these ideas. Thanks, Lee Beaumont PS - No soccer balls were harmed in the making of this graphic!