I support this idea. Let’s move on!

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From: Zbys Fedorowicz <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To: Zbys Fedorowicz <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 4:15 AM
To: Evidence health <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: An open letter for the people in Gaza, the Lancet

Would not the discussion now be better focused on how to help those who required medical help/aid?

Perhaps we could  hear from Evidence Aid http://www.evidenceaid.org/

 

 

Prof Zbys Fedorowicz

Director

The Bahrain Branch of the UK Cochrane Centre

The Cochrane Collaboration

For information on the Bahrain branch see: http://bahrain.cochrane.org/en/index.html

 

 

 

From: Evidence based health (EBH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ahmed Abou-Setta
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: An open letter for the people in Gaza, the Lancet

 

And you have the right to opt out of the discussion at any time. Accordingly, others have the right to continue the discussion.


Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:32:31 +0100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: An open letter for the people in Gaza, the Lancet
To: [log in to unmask]

I'm not sure the merit of continuing this endless thread

It's run it's course

 

If you really wish to continue discussion then the best place for it is via the lancet letters- at least that will reach the audience to which the article was intended

 

That is how scientific debate is usually done if an article is controversial- never mind political arguments

Ishtiaq M Ahmed

PhD FRCS C-Th

 

Sent from iPhone 


On 25 Jul 2014, at 09:20, "Ahmed Abou-Setta" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Paul, I might have missed this in the news leading to the invasion of Gaza, but was anyone convicted for the death of the three Jewish teens? I know the Jewish settlers who kidnapped, tortured and burned alive a Muslim Palestinian boy in retaliation for murder of the three teens confessed, and that hundreds of Muslim Palestinians were arrested in connection with the disappearance and death of the Jewish teens, but I can't find any news of anyone confessing or being convicted of the aforementioned crime. Of course, again, I might have missed news feed. This actually would have been an interesting piece that the authors could have added to their article.

Ahmed



Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:41:59 -0700
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: An open letter for the people in Gaza, the Lancet
To: [log in to unmask]

Really interesting. Very interesting exchanges. I agree with Manueli and Dan et al. I share that I have arab blood, but over time I have learnt that to really be set free, one must be willing to think with no biases. Examine the facts. Truth is truth. That article is one sided. It forgets to mention the three Jewish boys who were killed. What about their lives and parents tonight? Can you live with rockets raining down on you? I know, there is the occupation issue etc. I could say I am for the arab eyes closed, but I am really for the truth. I think the article did a disservice. World leaders too are AWOL and derilect for this is politics now and taking sides to score points. This needs and cries out for leadership and folk who really want peace to come to the table. We have none sadly. And can we talk while you shoot at me? I cant. 

 

I personally will always fight for the weaker but in some way, I wage arming myself with truth too. This is far too complex, rotten, terrible, for such a one sided paper to be written in such high valued journals. Too much wrong on both sides. Both. I am sorry but this is my view, small and nothing I am, but I will not be biased by such high valued journals and minds. We must pray it ends now. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best,

Paul E. Alexander

 

 

 

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:55:57 PM, Dr. Cawthorpe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

Agreed


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:08 PM, manueli kavika <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Hi everyone! I am worried that the discussion is becoming like a "religious debate to the never ending religious war" and I wonder if this is a forum to discuss it! And I can almost sense the fumes steaming out of my screen as soon as I opened my inbox this morning.
>
> I am reminded there is something called "EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE" and all leaders, Doctors and Academics included, are champions of it! So can we practice that in this issue and be mindful that other don't receive our "AMYGDALA HIJACKS" on their inboxes!
>
> You all have a great weekend!
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> From: Evidence based health (EBH) [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Hassan [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:15 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: An open letter for the people in Gaza, the Lancet
>
> With respect to other opinions in this case.
> But I believe if this was written to describe what is happening by a country other than Israel , we never had this argument
> Everyone would agree that those children,women and even animals must be protected by all means.
> But the world is watching this massacre and try to find excuses for it because just it's Israel and USA.
>
> Dr. Hassan Al Balushi
>
> On ٢٤‏/٠٧‏/٢٠١٤, at ٩:١٨ص, Ahmed Abou-Setta <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> To every story, there is one side, there is the other side and then there is the truth. Maybe you should write an open letter in the Lancet describing your point of view and let the readers decide which is closer to the truth.
>
> Ahmed
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> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:41:41 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: An open letter for the people in Gaza, the Lancet
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> As a graduate of Tel-Aviv university and somebody who has practiced medicine in Israel treating both Israelis and Arabs, if you want the truth about the EVIDENCE I would be happy to provide this information.
>
> I am surprised that people who call themselves champions of the evidence would write such a once sided article.
>
> Barry Diner, MD, MPH, FACEP
> Assistant professor
> Baylor Colleges of Medicine
> Houston, Texas
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> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Mike Kronenfeld <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> I want to protest that this is an inappropriate use of this listserv which is not an appropriate place to have a discussion on what is currently happening in Gaza.
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> From: Nourieh Hoveyda <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Date: Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:18 PM
> Subject: An open letter for the people in Gaza, the Lancet
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> Dear colleagues
>
> An open letter for the people in Gaza, published in the Lancet 23rd of
> July 2014,  By Paola Manduca, Iain Chalmers, Derek Summerfield, Mads
> Gilbert, Swee Ang, on behalf of 24 signatories
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> If you wish to read / support the letter please see link
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> Kind regards
> Nourieh
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