Yes, of course

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How about adopting Cthulhu into Chaos magik system?

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Egyptian Freemasonry belongs to so-called Liberal Freemasonry, Grand Orient of France. The United Grand Lodge of England does not recognize it. So we have an interesting situation with the impact of English-speaking writer on the European Continental occultism. Moreover, in this case Lovecraft influenced not only that certain thinker, but he inspired the entire trend within Freemasonry. Probably, it is unimportant remark for the discussion on Lovecraft's own ideas, but it may be suggestive for the discussion on his heritage.

Eugene

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I had never heard of Frank Ripel but a few Google searches turn up what appear to be serious disputes about the legitimacy of his having any claim to authority in Freemasonic matters.

Regardless of what Ripel may or may not think, there is an important distinction to be made between an occult writer" and "an occultist". Lovecraft clearly used elements of mystical and occult lore, legend and wisdom from a variety of traditions which he wove into the invented fabric of his "Cthulhu Mythos."

This in no sense makes him a practising, or even wannabe, occultist.

If you read his letters it is inescapably obvious that he was a philosophical materialist to his bootheels. The very fact that he believed so fervently that humankind was insignificant in the cosmos at large, and that there cannot be any supernatural manifestation of any kind, is what makes his stories so terrifying, for in Lovecraft's framework, the violation of natural laws of space, time and existence blow apart (for their characters) what they think they rationally know of the universe.

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Leigh Blackmore (Fr. HekAL)

On 17/07/2014 1:14 AM, Eugene Kuzmin wrote:

Frank Ripel, one of the most important persons in modern Egyptian Freemasonry, believes that Lovecraft is an occult writer.

Eugene

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Can you be more specific?

Arild

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At least Lovecraft's ideas received occult interpretation in Egyptian masonry.

Dr. Eugene Kuzmin

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HPL was definitely not, as far as I’ve understood from his biography. DW is dubious. He wrote about occult matters, but being an occultist? If so, how?

Arild

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Hello;

H P Lovecraft and Dennis Wheatley were definitely Occultists.

Cheers

On 15 Jul 2014, at 15:31, Susan Johnston Graf <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dan and everybody,
Thanks so much for all the great suggestions and for the opportunity to discuss my project with knowledgeable folks. I’ve learned some things and redefined my direction. I might just be able to get that sabbatical proposal completed in time J. Thank you all!

Susan Johnston Graf, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of English
Penn State Mont Alto,
Mont Alto, PA 17237

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To add a couple thoughts of my own:

You might track down Marsha Schuchard's dissertation Freemasonry, Secret Societies, and the Continuity of the Occult Traditions in English Literature. That has a good amount of material on Blake, and it might provide some other sources.

Samuel Taylor Coleridge once corresponded with John Denley to obtain books for a series of lectures on the supernatural, although that doesn't make him an occultist by any means.

Sincerely,

Dan
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Colleagues,
I write with a question. I am thinking about British writers and occultism. Some of you know me or my work. I have written a book on W. B. Yeats and occultism and have a book forthcoming on Yeats, Blackwood, Machen, and Fortune and the Golden Dawn. Now I am thinking about writers who were (or may have been, or are reputed to have been) occultists of some sort and were writers in the first two-thirds of the 19^th century before the Golden Dawn was established. So far I have Blake (questionable, but Yeats claims it, so it should be looked at), Dante Gabrielle Rosetti , and Bulwer-Lytton. Does anybody out there have any thoughts on others I might include in my study? And Leigh Blackmore, if you are out there, your work is invaluable. I agree with you that Bram Stoker is not among the group. I’m asking about writers who would consciously be reading about occultism and maybe practicing it. The Golden Dawn didn’t exist yet, so it is not the thing. Thanks so much for taking the time to read this query, and thanks in advance for any thoughts.
In gratitude for this list and all the awesome scholars on it who allow me not to be working in a vacuum,
Susan

Susan Johnston Graf, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of English
Penn State Mont Alto,
Mont Alto, PA 17237

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