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Do. It's "always" been there. (They used to think the Romans founded London but keep finding quite large structures from way back. TG is on a Roman road and that, it's said, is what Tooting means via a lost item of the a-s vocab. Graveney is a Norman family name, and the Normans still run the country. There's a Graveney near Faversham in Kent (a one time major port)... that I can only explain by reference to the creation of myself and a friend in yoof, the Royal Society of Transportation of Towns, which builds duplicates nationally and internationally as part of job creation. There's a Streatham, where I used to live, next to TG, somewhere in East Anglia I believe + of course London Ontario and Launcester in your own sunburnt country etc et cetera L On 12 June 2014 07:27, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I'll add Tooting Graveney to Wandle as another t'riffic name. L, P. > > B > > On 12/06/2014, at 1:19 AM, Lawrence Upton wrote: > > > He was, the sad creature. The Graveney is a tributary of the Wandle and > you > > could see it about to go underground a mile or so south of my parents > house > > in Tooting Graveney. That house had a coal cellar. In the winter it was > > inches deep in water. There were something like 40 houses along one side > of > > our road where there had been 4 in the days that Johnson went sniffing > > after the scent of Mrs Thrale - you could spit at Thrale Rd from where I > > was teenaged, and sometimes I did. Presumably the forces of Edwardian > > capitalism decided there was no need to allow a space to the ghost of a > > river. > > > > Anyway, dear boy, do show respect to our natural powers. Let's live by > > British values. > > > > pip pip > > > > L > > > > > > > > > > On 11 June 2014 16:13, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > >> William Morris was the man picked the Wandle and inspired -News From > >> Nowhere > >> P > >> Ps sorry L to offend your mighty river > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > On > >> Behalf Of Lawrence Upton > >> Sent: 11 June 2014 12:41 > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: pat snap 630 !"!"!" > >> > >> Pat as a citizen once of and now near the Wandle I take issue with your > >> description of its being piddling. Too much re and misdirection; but in > its > >> unaltered state it was a substantial Thames tributary and a major > centre of > >> early industrialisation > >> > >> L > >> > >> > >> On 11 June 2014 12:35, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> > >>> Pat, I laughed. Like the local content too. But you might consider > >>> butting out one of your buts. Two buts throws readers out. Line 4 > >>> could simply begin, 'It was' for instance without disarming your flow. > >>> > >>> Bill > >>> > >>>> On 11 Jun 2014, at 6:39 pm, Patrick McManus < > >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> RIVER > >>>> > >>>> I am not > >>>> criticising > >>>> she said > >>>> but it was > >>>> all very well > >>>> naming our son > >>>> Moses > >>>> but isn't it > >>>> a bit much > >>>> to make a cradle > >>>> to tar it > >>>> to float it > >>>> in the river > >>>> after all > >>>> the Wandle > >>>> is hardly > >>>> the Nile > >>>> and as far > >>>> as I know > >>>> there are no > >>>> Pharaoh's Daughters > >>>> living in > >>>> Earlsfield > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> pmcmanus > >>>> r573 > >>>> some here will know this but > >>>> > >>>> River Wandle is a local piddling River Earlsfied -is a sub-suburbia > >>>> nearby This inspired by partner suddenly taking up a writing course > >>>> -subject > >>> 'River > >>>> Wandle' > >>>> > >>> > >> > > >