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A very unhistorical suggestions probably, but it has always struck me that the rise in lay piety in the 12th and 13th centuries has a good deal in common with the rise of lay involvement in all areas of Catholicism beginning about 1950 and accelerating as a result of the 2nd Vatican Council. So one might just be cognizant of similar developments that are better documented in modern times.

Best,

John W.

 

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All wonderful suggestions.  I did not know of the first two, which I will order immediately.  I love this list!

Please keep 'em coming. 
cecilia

 

On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Cyprian Rosen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture

Dear Cecilia,

 

A book you may find helpful for the development of lay spirituality is:

 

Cyrilla Barr,The Monophonic Lauda and the Lay Religious Confraternities of Tuscany and Umbria in the Late Middle Ages (Kalamazoo, MI: Medieval Institute Publications, 1988).  Although it deals mostly with the music and rituals of the confraternities, it does consider the nature of these confraternities and distinguishes between the laudesi and disciplinati.

Also, these were lay organizations, under ecclesiastical jurisdiction, but with lay leaders.

 

Also:

 

2)I Laici nella "Societas Christiana" dei secoli XI e XII. (Atti della terza Settimana internazionale di studio, Mendola, 21-27 Agosto 1965.  See,Enrico Cataneo, "La partecipazione dei laici alla liturgia" 396-427 and Paul Rousset, "Les laics dans la croisade", 428-447.

 

3) R.N. Swanson, Religion and Devotion in Europe, c. 1215-c. 1515.

 

 

Cyprian Rosen

 

 

On 06/09/14, Cecilia Gaposchkin<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture

 

Hello smart people,  I need your help.  I am trying to get my head around what we we mean when we say there was a shift in lay or popular piety, or spirituality, in the 13th century. Yes, I know this is the age of Francis and Dominic. Yes, I know that something has changed with penitential culture (but what has changed?); Yes, I know that the notion of imitatio christi has shifted to a greater focus on passion (although anyone who has seriously read the sources for the first crusade might dispute this), and of "affective" suffering.  I know there is an increase in lay literacy (and, by the way, what does this mean for lay understanding/participation/involvement in the liturgy? Does anyone know?)

I say this having read much of the literature and having myself written some of it. But it is so complicated, I'm hoping for anyone who has some good thoughts on this to share them.  What do you see as the characteristic features of the shift? How do we know this? How is it manifest?  And actually, as I type, I'm curious about anyone's thoughts on this idea of lay involvement in the liturgy.

I am (again) thinking about all of this in context with crusading.  I realize I have not deal with this adequately, which means I have not understood it adequately.  And as always, I appreciate so much the warm generosity of the intellectual community of this list.

Thanks

cecilia

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