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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Brenda, Absolutely. Not exactly subtle! Jane medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture BINGO! The C & the H is just what I need. Bless you. As for the other I think I detect a naughty bi-lingual clerical joke (not a typo ?) : Kyrie eleison = Lord have mercy upon us – a Greek response in the Mass and Kyria Alysoun = Lady Alison – the poet’s paramour. Tut tut! Brenda. *From:* Jane Stemp Wickenden <[log in to unmask]> *Sent:* Sunday, May 18, 2014 5:55 PM *To:* [log in to unmask] *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Quia amore langueo - stop press! - more medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Also known as *The Dialogue of the Clerk and the Husbandman, *this is printed in Robbins, Rossell Hope, ed. *Secular Lyrics of the XIV and XV Centuries.* 2nd ed. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1955, pp. 180-1. I think “Kyrie aleison” would also support your argument - there are a couple of typos in this edition but, for what it’s worth: https://archive.org/stream/songscarolsfromm00wrigrich#page/100/ Jane ------------------------------ *From:* medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Jane Stemp Wickenden *Sent:* 18 May 2014 17:02 *To:* [log in to unmask] *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Quia amore langueo - stop press! Brenda, I think I've found it for you - *The Clerk and the Husbandman* BM Add MS 38666; the catalogue record gives f. 174 Poetry: Dialogue betw. clerk and husbandman, with refrain "Quia amore langueo,": 15th cent.: Engl. I haven’t found a text yet, although it is discussed in this thesis https://archive.org/stream/middleenglishlov00clem#page/n185/mode/2up/search/amore Jane -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ms B M Cook Sent: 18 May 2014 15:16 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [M-R] Quia amore langueo medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Thank you to everyone who replied to this query. It now seems probable that the "2" religious poems may either be two parts of an original or that the other was written in deliberate response to the first. And no one has come up with a secular love song. My disordered imagination, perhaps? Which is a pity because I was hoping to demonstrate that Latin tags like this could be reused in different contexts. Another hypothesis bites the dust! Brenda M. 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