Hi Sestini,
My PICO formulation pertains to “Direct” evidence about effectiveness (and harms) of testing. In this case the test becomes more like a treatment intervention.
Such evidence usually does not exist particularly in RCTs. But this is the most important question given the equipoise originally posed (i.e.
whether an urine stick for nitrite/leukocyte esterase could be useful to guide antibiotic therapy).
Anticipating that this evidence would not exist or will be grossly underpowered…one could answer this indirectly. The searches you employed pertain to indirect
evidence I suspect. And indirect line of questioning to answer this equipoise would be:
·
What is the comparative effectiveness and harms of early empiric antibiotic treatment of women with suspected cystitis?
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What is the diagnostic performance of urine stick for nitrite/leukocyte esterase for ruling out bacterial cystitis in these women?
·
Given the estimates of urine stick test accuracy (which should be translated into population level True positive, True negatives, False positive
and False negatives), is prior testing likely to reduce unnecessary antibiotic treatment without causing unnecessary harms?
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What is the evidence for comparative effectiveness and harms of treating symptomatic women negative for bacterial cystitis with antibiotic therapy
(assuming that anecdotal evidence indicates that antibiotics are helpful because reasons other than their bacteri-cidal/static actions).
Or maybe I just didn’t get the original concern.
m
From: Piersante Sestini [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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Subject: Re: Evaluating the quality of a PICO question
On 07/05/2014 14:42, Ansari, Mohammed wrote:
I find the cystitis vignette very interesting. For the question “whether an urine stick for nitrite/leukocyte esterase could be useful to guide antibiotic therapy” my attempt at PICOs is below. In my opinion the question posed above is about effectiveness of point-of-care testing. I’d be interested in learning how further refinements change my provisional (non-expert) PICOs.
Population: Non-pregnant, sexually active, adult women (several population subgroups could be potential effect modifiers) with symptoms of cystitis (but not pyelonephritis) in primary care settings
Intervention: management guided by results of urine stick for nitrite/leukocyte esterase (should be different for test positives, negatives, and those categorized as inconclusive)
Comparator 1: No testing, but early empiric antibiotic treatment of all
Comparator 2: No testing, and no initial empiric antibiotic treatment (delayed treatment if indicated)
Comparator 3: No testing but early empiric antibiotic treatment at physician’s discretion
Outcomes: time to symptom resolution (with an additional comparison between test positives and comparators 2 & 3) ; incidence of complicated cystitis/pyelopnephritis (with an additional comparison between test negatives and untested patients); and major adverse events (with an additional comparison between test negatives and untested patients)
Study designs: RCTs or comparative observational studies.
The last time I did a search on this topic, I found studies on the effectiveness of antibiotics in dipstick-negative women, but not in dipstick positive ones (they were prescribed antibiotics as the probability of a bacterial infection
was considered high).
Thus, "best available evidence" depends on what information is there, more than the throughoutfulness (not sure that this word actually exists) of the question: the point is how to find it.
I usually prefer a bottom-up question: starting with a very generic question (cystitis AND dipstick AND antibiotics), then refine it if the yield is high. Of course you can also use a top-down strategy, starting with a more demanding question and reducing
your requirements as you don't find what you want.
It also depend from expertise, that is your personal knowledge of the field (which in this case, for me, is admittedly low), that is, before a PICO question can be assembled, one or more background questions should be often asked, particularly by the non-expert.
cheers,
piersante sestini
From: Evidence based health (EBH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 4:14 AM
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Subject: Re: Evaluating the quality of a PICO question
Hi Piersante,
Just to challenge you on this particular example of antibiotics, prescribing versus withholding. Apart from taking personal values into account, one should also take community outcomes into account (we are stewards of the health services,
according to the WHO). Prescribing antibiotics when there is only a small advantage must be weighed against the increasing antibiotic resistance that impacts on us all.
Decisions are complicated, aren't they?
Kev Hopayian
On 2 May 2014, at 22:23, Piersante Sestini <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On 01/05/2014 20:01, John Epling wrote:
(tapping the microphone...) Is this thing on?
I promise I won't send this around again, but just wanted to check again if anyone had any thoughts about my question: What's the best way to evaluate the quality of a PICO question? (context is mainly in teaching EBM, but I'm open to other ideas - see more detail below).
This is indeed a fascinating topic. I agree that it has to be evaluated in more than one domain.
I haven't seen the more important one listed yet, though: how relevant/meaningful is the clinical question underlying the PICO question for addressing the problem at hand, including patient preferences?
For example, in one of my favorite teaching problems, the clinical vignette is a woman with symptoms of cystitis who express a preference against taking antibiotics, and the question is whether an urine stick for nitrite/leukocyte esterase could be useful to
guide antibiotic therapy.
Most of my students would compose the question as a question of diagnostic accuracy of the stick compared to urine culture as the gold standard, which seems reasonable but happens to be wrong: the right one is a question of effectiveness of antibiotics compared
to placebo in stick-negative patients. (and the answer is that there is a small advantage in term of duration of symptoms but not of complications by using antibiotics also in stick negative patients, so the stick is useful only in those patients who have
a strong preference against the use of antibiotics, which can be safely withheld if the stick turns out to be negative, while in those who prefer a shorter duration of symptoms and don't mind taking antibiotics the stick would be useless).
Only then you can go through the rest of evaluation (and, of course, a silly clinical question can still be dressed in a perfect PICO dress ;-)
cheers,
piersante
Thanks again.
John
John Epling, MD, MSEd, FAAFP
Associate Professor and Chair
Department of Family Medicine
Co-Director, Studying-Acting-Learning-Teaching Network (SALT-Net)
Associate Professor, Public Health and Preventive Medicine
SUNY-Upstate Medical University
Syracuse, NY
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