I am still trying to fund out if there are stakeholders to Elliot's research as well as being curious as to who Willets' stakeholders are! Anybody know?
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Sorry I meant to add, both students who bought their laptops already did so because they were struggling to keep up with the workload due to having chronic medical conditions that severely limits the amount of time they are able to spend working on campus outside time-tabled taught sessions. I'm not sure how even the most inclusive of university campuses could resolve that problem.
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Subject: Re: Changes to DSA query
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:11:30 +0100
From: Ian F. <[log in to unmask]>
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I guess as I spend my life asking people if they own a computer I could
look through all my reports and compile some stats to see if my gut
feeling is actually supported (groan). It would be useful to have some
real figures to work with.
I have notes from five students seen this week in front of me, two
currently use a shared family-owned desktop (both quite old machines),
one won some funding to buy a laptop last september, one just bought a
laptop from her own funds (from a Littlewoods catalogue, paying it off
monthly) one doesn't own a computer. In effect, three out of five don't
have their own computer. Not very scientific I know.
My point though was his comment about 'young people...' [last I checked
DSA was open to students of all ages and backgrounds not just young ones
(with parents who can buy them a laptop...??)] AND the assumption that
students have to own a computer to go to university - if this is the
case it needs to be stated in course admissions documents etc and will
have an implication for general HE IT funding in future.
His comments about band 1 and 2 support used the example of library
support - he said it'll be library staff who have to help a blind
student find the books they need. Assuming all students should be able
to browse through the tables of contents and indexes of books to find
information they might need for research (rather than just look up the
titles online beforehand) that should be an interesting addition to the
duties of a librarian.
I found the following document on the EHRC site that provides quite
detailed guidance on the EA for FE/HE
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/uploaded_files/EqualityAct/technical_guidance_on_further_and_higher_education.pdf
Ian
On 15/05/2014 15:24, Simon Jarvis wrote:
I listened to the interview and was quite surprised at his stance on the ending of the Band 1 and 2 NMH support, specifically the comments about ending library support. They may well have a point about universities doing more to anticipate the needs of disabled students, particularly it terms of making curricula more accessible, but in a time of decreasing funding for universities it is going to be interesting how this is managed, assuming it all goes ahead.
At the risk of sounding deliberately controversial I seriously doubt there are many, if any, young people arriving at university without a computer. Whether that machine is strong enough to run the software they've been recommended, let alone last for three years, is another issue, but I can't say I am surprised that someone has finally decided that a system that awards most of its applicants with a brand new laptop needs reviewing.
Simon
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Subject: Re: Changes to DSA query
David Willets was on In Touch this week attempting to justify the proposed changes (it's still up on iplayer).
Apparently there will be detailed guidance and it's all out with 'stakeholders' at the moment. Also he's still arguing on the basis that
'most young people arrive at university with a computer' (or words to that effect) - so we really need an independent yougov-style survey to confirm or challenge this assumption, especially that people who've been supported by DSA are these "young people who already have a computer"
... certainly not the case in my experience.
I thought the point made by one (blind) student that if all students are now expected to own a laptop why should disabled students get one for free was interesting. It seems to support Willetts' position and suggests there is an assumption out there that you now have to have a computer to be able to go to uni.
I'd assume if this is now the case this must also mean there's no need for all these campus-based computer labs stuffed full of expensive computers anymore. I'm sure the big IT firms who love to lobby govt for these contracts will be very pleased to hear this :-)
There were some interesting points about the Equality Act v DSA regarding NMH support raised though. Has anyone done a thorough (legal) review of the implications of the EA in the context of what's previously been considered DSA territory? I've looked but it all seems a bit vague.
Regards
Ian Francis
On 15/05/2014 12:54, Lesley Morrice wrote:
You’re quite right David!
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Are these not still */proposed/* **changes? Not a ''new regime' yet.
David
On 15 May 2014 at 11:24 Lesley Morrice
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Dear Hannah
I would suspect that they would come under the new regime, as their
course wouldn’t start until 2015, however I expect that this will
need to be put to the test!
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Hi Lesley,
Thank you for your response.
We had seen that guidance but felt it needed further clarification.
For example, if the student applied for DSA in 14/15 and had their
needs assessment/entitlements agreed, but then had to defer due to
a change in circumstances would they still be affected by the changes?
As obviously in this case, 15/16 would not be the first time they
had applied. But if they were awarded DSA in line with the 14/15
regulations there is potential for a two tier system.
Any thoughts?
Best wishes,
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*Subject:* Re: Changes to DSA query
Hi Hannah,
The information states that:
*This change will apply to all full-time, full-time distance
learning, part-time and postgraduate students applying for DSA for
the first time in respect of an academic year beginning on or after
1 September 2015.*
So unfortunately this student will be affected by the changes.
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Morning,
We have had a query today from a pre-entry student about the changes
to DSA.
Does anyone know if students apply to study this September, but then
defer to September 2015 - will they still be able to access the
support *as it is* or will they be affected by the changes from
15/16? I cannot find this information anywhere.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thank you,
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