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I am still trying to fund out if there are stakeholders to Elliot's research as well as being curious as to who Willets' stakeholders are! Anybody know? Michael Lane Educational Psychologist www.Ridgeway.co 02476 697308 07967 734004 The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of, any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Any opinions or advice contained in this email are not necessarily those of the sender. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus, or any other defect which might affect any computer or IT system into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. On 15 May 2014 16:23, "Ian F." <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Sorry I meant to add, both students who bought their laptops already did > so because they were struggling to keep up with the workload due to having > chronic medical conditions that severely limits the amount of time they are > able to spend working on campus outside time-tabled taught sessions. I'm > not sure how even the most inclusive of university campuses could resolve > that problem. > > Ian > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Changes to DSA query > Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:11:30 +0100 > From: Ian F. <[log in to unmask]> > To: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. < > [log in to unmask]> > > I guess as I spend my life asking people if they own a computer I could > look through all my reports and compile some stats to see if my gut > feeling is actually supported (groan). It would be useful to have some > real figures to work with. > > I have notes from five students seen this week in front of me, two > currently use a shared family-owned desktop (both quite old machines), > one won some funding to buy a laptop last september, one just bought a > laptop from her own funds (from a Littlewoods catalogue, paying it off > monthly) one doesn't own a computer. In effect, three out of five don't > have their own computer. Not very scientific I know. > > My point though was his comment about 'young people...' [last I checked > DSA was open to students of all ages and backgrounds not just young ones > (with parents who can buy them a laptop...??)] AND the assumption that > students have to own a computer to go to university - if this is the > case it needs to be stated in course admissions documents etc and will > have an implication for general HE IT funding in future. > > His comments about band 1 and 2 support used the example of library > support - he said it'll be library staff who have to help a blind > student find the books they need. Assuming all students should be able > to browse through the tables of contents and indexes of books to find > information they might need for research (rather than just look up the > titles online beforehand) that should be an interesting addition to the > duties of a librarian. > > I found the following document on the EHRC site that provides quite > detailed guidance on the EA for FE/HE > > http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/uploaded_files/EqualityAct/ > technical_guidance_on_further_and_higher_education.pdf > > Ian > > > > > > On 15/05/2014 15:24, Simon Jarvis wrote: > >> I listened to the interview and was quite surprised at his stance on the >> ending of the Band 1 and 2 NMH support, specifically the comments about >> ending library support. They may well have a point about universities doing >> more to anticipate the needs of disabled students, particularly it terms of >> making curricula more accessible, but in a time of decreasing funding for >> universities it is going to be interesting how this is managed, assuming it >> all goes ahead. >> >> At the risk of sounding deliberately controversial I seriously doubt >> there are many, if any, young people arriving at university without a >> computer. Whether that machine is strong enough to run the software they've >> been recommended, let alone last for three years, is another issue, but I >> can't say I am surprised that someone has finally decided that a system >> that awards most of its applicants with a brand new laptop needs reviewing. >> >> Simon >> >> Simon Jarvis >> Head of Disability & Dyslexia Service >> Queen Mary University of London >> >> Room FB 2.30, Francis Bancroft >> Mile End Road, London E1 4NS >> Tel: 020 7882 2765 >> Mob: 07500825597 >> Fax: 020 7882 5223 >> www.dds.qmul.ac.uk >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ian F. >> Sent: 15 May 2014 13:19 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Changes to DSA query >> >> David Willets was on In Touch this week attempting to justify the >> proposed changes (it's still up on iplayer). >> >> Apparently there will be detailed guidance and it's all out with >> 'stakeholders' at the moment. Also he's still arguing on the basis that >> 'most young people arrive at university with a computer' (or words to >> that effect) - so we really need an independent yougov-style survey to >> confirm or challenge this assumption, especially that people who've been >> supported by DSA are these "young people who already have a computer" >> ... certainly not the case in my experience. >> >> I thought the point made by one (blind) student that if all students are >> now expected to own a laptop why should disabled students get one for free >> was interesting. It seems to support Willetts' position and suggests there >> is an assumption out there that you now have to have a computer to be able >> to go to uni. >> >> I'd assume if this is now the case this must also mean there's no need >> for all these campus-based computer labs stuffed full of expensive >> computers anymore. I'm sure the big IT firms who love to lobby govt for >> these contracts will be very pleased to hear this :-) >> >> There were some interesting points about the Equality Act v DSA regarding >> NMH support raised though. Has anyone done a thorough (legal) review of the >> implications of the EA in the context of what's previously been considered >> DSA territory? I've looked but it all seems a bit vague. >> >> >> Regards >> Ian Francis >> >> >> >> >> On 15/05/2014 12:54, Lesley Morrice wrote: >> >>> You’re quite right David! >>> >>> Lesley >>> >>> Lesley Morrice >>> >>> ACCESS Centre Manager >>> >>> Student Services Centre >>> >>> Portland Building >>> >>> University Park >>> >>> Nottingham >>> >>> NG7 2RD >>> >>> Tel:0115 8466114 >>> >>> Fax:0115 9514376 >>> >>> My hours of work are: >>> >>> Mon - Thurs 8.a.m. till 5.00 p.m >>> >>> Fri 7.45 a.m. till 12 noon >>> >>> *From:*[log in to unmask] >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >>> *Sent:* 15 May 2014 12:47 >>> *To:* Lesley Morrice; Discussion list for disabled students and their >>> support staff. >>> *Subject:* Re: Changes to DSA query >>> >>> Are these not still */proposed/* **changes? Not a ''new regime' yet. >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 15 May 2014 at 11:24 Lesley Morrice >>> <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Hannah >>> >>> I would suspect that they would come under the new regime, as their >>> course wouldn’t start until 2015, however I expect that this will >>> need to be put to the test! >>> >>> Regards, Lesley >>> >>> Lesley Morrice >>> >>> ACCESS Centre Manager >>> >>> Student Services Centre >>> >>> Portland Building >>> >>> University Park >>> >>> Nottingham >>> >>> NG7 2RD >>> >>> Tel:0115 8466114 >>> >>> Fax:0115 9514376 >>> >>> My hours of work are: >>> >>> Mon - Thurs 8.a.m. till 5.00 p.m >>> >>> Fri 7.45 a.m. till 12 noon >>> >>> *From:*Discussion list for disabled students and their support >>> staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Hannah >>> French >>> *Sent:* 15 May 2014 10:33 >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Re: Changes to DSA query >>> >>> Hi Lesley, >>> >>> Thank you for your response. >>> >>> We had seen that guidance but felt it needed further clarification. >>> For example, if the student applied for DSA in 14/15 and had their >>> needs assessment/entitlements agreed, but then had to defer due to >>> a change in circumstances would they still be affected by the >>> changes? >>> >>> As obviously in this case, 15/16 would not be the first time they >>> had applied. But if they were awarded DSA in line with the 14/15 >>> regulations there is potential for a two tier system. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> *Hannah French* >>> >>> Student Adviser (Disability) >>> >>> Student Wellbeing >>> >>> B Block >>> >>> University of Derby >>> >>> Kedleston Road >>> >>> Derby >>> >>> DE22 1GB >>> >>> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> cid:image001.jpg@01CEAB04.31C201E0 >>> >>> Tel: 01332 593000 >>> >>> www.derby.ac.uk/student-wellbeing >>> <http://www.derby.ac.uk/student-wellbeing> >>> >>> You can speak to an Adviser on our helpline on 01332 592000 2-4pm >>> Mon-Fri or email: [log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> This email is intended for the addressee(s) named above. 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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Lesley >>> Morrice >>> *Sent:* 15 May 2014 09:53 >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Re: Changes to DSA query >>> >>> Hi Hannah, >>> >>> The information states that: >>> >>> *This change will apply to all full-time, full-time distance >>> learning, part-time and postgraduate students applying for DSA for >>> the first time in respect of an academic year beginning on or after >>> 1 September 2015.* >>> >>> So unfortunately this student will be affected by the changes. >>> >>> Regards, Lesley >>> >>> Lesley Morrice >>> >>> ACCESS Centre Manager >>> >>> Student Services Centre >>> >>> Portland Building >>> >>> University Park >>> >>> Nottingham >>> >>> NG7 2RD >>> >>> Tel:0115 8466114 >>> >>> Fax:0115 9514376 >>> >>> My hours of work are: >>> >>> Mon - Thurs 8.a.m. till 5.00 p.m >>> >>> Fri 7.45 a.m. till 12 noon >>> >>> *From:*Discussion list for disabled students and their support >>> staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Hannah >>> French >>> *Sent:* 15 May 2014 09:28 >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> *Subject:* Changes to DSA query >>> >>> Morning, >>> >>> We have had a query today from a pre-entry student about the changes >>> to DSA. >>> >>> Does anyone know if students apply to study this September, but then >>> defer to September 2015 - will they still be able to access the >>> support *as it is* or will they be affected by the changes from >>> 15/16? 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