Universities get less and less to deliver teaching, almost all of it from students fees. Some Subjects are subsidised by other subjects.....
The key question is how can inclusive teaching be made cheaper than non inclusive teaching...that would grab VCs attention immediately.
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John
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> On 15 May 2014, at 16:26, "Milligan, John" <
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> Wouldn't it be nice if the tone was more about developing inclusive practice than viewing disabled students as a financial burden? Universities get millions of pounds to deliver learning.....disabled people have the right to receive that learning.
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> And remember how much of the higher fees has to be spent on "outreach" and "WP" so we don't get £9000 income, more like £7500 of the £9000.
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> Wonder if the WP content can be spent on supporting disabled students???
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> John
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> On 15 May 2014, at 16:08, "Penny Andrews" <
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> A lot of universities AREN'T making more with increased tuition fees, particularly not from students on arts and humanities courses where the block teaching grant has been removed entirely. They were making more money when variable fees were first introduced, but not when the new funding regime came in for 2012. Teaching led rather than research intensive universities, who support more of the exact sort of students who will be hit hardest by DSA changes, have seen a big drop in income. That's why they are targeting more international students in order to bring in more money.
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> On 15 May 2014 15:46, Daniel Aherne <
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> How much more are University's making with increased tuition fees? I would hope this could go some way to limiting the effect of the HEFCE cuts and the changes to the DSA.
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> I would hope that with students paying increased tuition fees that some of this extra money could be allocated to helping universities becoming more inclusive. A simple solution would be each University would allocate a percentage of the income raised through tuition fees to the proportion of disabled student they have.
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> On 15/05/14, John Conway <
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> I understand form HEFCE that next year there is an anticipated cut of £250M to the universities budget overall, plus of course inflation, so it will indeed be interesting to see hoe inclusive universities can be in the face of reduced funding.
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> John
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>> On 15 May 2014, at 15:24, "Simon Jarvis" <
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>> I listened to the interview and was quite surprised at his stance on the ending of the Band 1 and 2 NMH support, specifically the comments about ending library support. They may well have a point about universities doing more to anticipate the needs of disabled students, particularly it terms of making curricula more accessible, but in a time of decreasing funding for universities it is going to be interesting how this is managed, assuming it all goes ahead.
>>
>> At the risk of sounding deliberately controversial I seriously doubt there are many, if any, young people arriving at university without a computer. Whether that machine is strong enough to run the software they've been recommended, let alone last for three years, is another issue, but I can't say I am surprised that someone has finally decided that a system that awards most of its applicants with a brand new laptop needs reviewing.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [
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>> David Willets was on In Touch this week attempting to justify the proposed changes (it's still up on iplayer).
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>> Apparently there will be detailed guidance and it's all out with 'stakeholders' at the moment. Also he's still arguing on the basis that
>> 'most young people arrive at university with a computer' (or words to that effect) - so we really need an independent yougov-style survey to confirm or challenge this assumption, especially that people who've been supported by DSA are these "young people who already have a computer"
>> ... certainly not the case in my experience.
>>
>> I thought the point made by one (blind) student that if all students are now expected to own a laptop why should disabled students get one for free was interesting. It seems to support Willetts' position and suggests there is an assumption out there that you now have to have a computer to be able to go to uni.
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>> I'd assume if this is now the case this must also mean there's no need for all these campus-based computer labs stuffed full of expensive computers anymore. I'm sure the big IT firms who love to lobby govt for these contracts will be very pleased to hear this :-)
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>> There were some interesting points about the Equality Act v DSA regarding NMH support raised though. Has anyone done a thorough (legal) review of the implications of the EA in the context of what's previously been considered DSA territory? I've looked but it all seems a bit vague.
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>> Regards
>> Ian Francis
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>>> On 15/05/2014 12:54, Lesley Morrice wrote:
>>> You're quite right David!
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>>> Are these not still */proposed/* **changes? Not a ''new regime' yet.
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>>> David
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>>> On 15 May 2014 at 11:24 Lesley Morrice
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>>> Dear Hannah
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>>> I would suspect that they would come under the new regime, as their
>>> course wouldn't start until 2015, however I expect that this will
>>> need to be put to the test!
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>>> Hi Lesley,
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>>> Thank you for your response.
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>>> We had seen that guidance but felt it needed further clarification.
>>> For example, if the student applied for DSA in 14/15 and had their
>>> needs assessment/entitlements agreed, but then had to defer due to
>>> a change in circumstances would they still be affected by the changes?
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>>> As obviously in this case, 15/16 would not be the first time they
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>>> Any thoughts?
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>>> Hi Hannah,
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>>> The information states that:
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>>> *This change will apply to all full-time, full-time distance
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>>> Morning,
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>>> We have had a query today from a pre-entry student about the changes
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>>> Does anyone know if students apply to study this September, but then
>>> defer to September 2015 - will they still be able to access the
>>> support *as it is* or will they be affected by the changes from
>>> 15/16? I cannot find this information anywhere.
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>>> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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