I agree with Rachel's comments and would add that in the UK, The Equality Act (October 2010) brought together existing regulations that already gave protection against ageism and other forms of discrimination (both direct and indirect), and extended them.  This Act is now the main law relating to age discrimination, and aims to protect individuals against ageism in employment, education and training.

I am sure that it was never AIIM's deliberate intention to cause offence, but this strap line has certainly won them far more publicity for their course than would otherwise have been the case. That said, I am sure that they would welcome any fee paying Grandfather's and Grandmothers on their course too!

PS. Since 1 October 2011, the default retirement age of 65 in the UK has been scrapped. Employers can no longer retire employees over the age of 65 unless they can provide clear justification for this, so we may well see even more grandfather's (and grandmother's) practising their new and existing records management skills in future.

Best Wishes,  
Paul

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I suppose what makes the slogan ill-considered and annoying is not that it dismisses what was taught on RM courses in 'the old days' but that it embodies a derogatory attitude to older professionals and older people in general. Change in practice and even principles is, after all, inevitable and constant.

The phrase suggests that the problem lies with outmoded people ('grandfathers') rather than outmoded ideas. Since records managers don't live in a parallel Logan's Run universe but one in which the normal retirement age is 65, many current practitioners and educators will inevitably fall into this category. (Many others, of course, clearly do not count, being grandmothers rather than grandfathers - another fail for the soundbite). 

The slogan conveys the no doubt unintended but nevertheless unavoidable implication that anyone over what, 40? 50? is incapable of understanding or operating in the contemporary RM landscape. Which makes it a bit meh, if an ancient like myself can use so youthful a term ... 

Regards,
Rachel


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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Eldin Rammell, Rammelll Consulting <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I’m guessing that whilst the fundamentals have not changed much, a course attended by our grandfather would not have included
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>·         the challenges of managing instant messages
>·         the challenges of classifying web pages as records
>·         issues arising from use of social media (LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter)
>·         the impact of PDF/A, including PDF/A-3
>·         the impact of cloud computing, including cloud services for electronic archiving
>·         latest developments in digital preservation techniques
>·         etc, etc
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>We expect any training course that we attend to use current case studies and current scenarios to exemplify the course theory. My interpretation was that this is what AIIM were referring to when they say that this is not “your grandfather’s records management program”, not that the fundamentals have particularly changed.
> 
>Regards,
>Eldin.
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> 
>Eldin Rammell, Rammell Consulting Ltd
>http://www.rammell-consulting.co.uk/
>Tel: 08448 844926 (Rammell Consulting office) or 07940 859721 (mobile)
> 
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>In a message dated 4/27/2014 2:51:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
>AIIM advertises their records management training with the logo, written in bold letters: This is NOT your grandfather's records management program!
>>http://www.aiim.org/Training/Certificate-Courses/Electronic-Records-Management
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>>I  am very interested to learn from AIIM:
>>1) What is so wrong or obsolete in our grandfathers' (sic!) RM training, to deserve naming and shaming?
>>2) What is so revolutionary in the AIIM RM training to put to shame the RM training our grandfathers received?
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>>I hope that AIIM will be courteous enough to give us a fact based evidence about the superiority of their course compared with our grandfathers RM training and knowledge, and not some PR verbal diarrhoea, trying to spin an insulting comment on older RM practitioners and trainers.
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