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You may also consider removing the parallel imaging acceleration and check if the echo spacing changes and to what value.
Cheers,
Andreas

Von: "Harms, Michael" <[log in to unmask]>
Antworten an: FSL - FMRIB's Software Library <[log in to unmask]>
Datum: Montag, 28. April 2014 15:06
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Betreff: Re: [FSL] Clarification of 'Effective Echo Spacing'


In that case, you'll have to check with your local GE engineering/physicist as to how GE reports ES.  (Or, just check if the reported value changes as you change the phase acceleration factor).

You can see the tooltip in FEAT for more on "Effective echo spacing".

cheers,
-MH

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From: Andreas Lidström <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Monday, April 28, 2014 7:59 AM
To: FSL - FMRIB's Software Library <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [FSL] Clarification of 'Effective Echo Spacing'

No, this is a GE Discovery MR750 scanner.

In that case it sounds like we should divide by 2,
I would just like to get get an explanation as to why. What is the meaning of 'Effective echo spacing' in that case?


2014-04-28 14:10 GMT+02:00 Harms, Michael <[log in to unmask]>:

Is this a Siemen's scanner? The actual echo spacing reported by Siemens is indeed unchanged by the use of iPAT.  But FSL wants the "effective echo spacing", which is the actual ES divided by the iPAT factor.  This assumes you are talking about iPAT/GRAPPA acceleration (which it sounds like is the case) and not "multiband" (slice) acceleration.

cheers,
-MH

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Michael Harms, Ph.D.
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Conte Center for the Neuroscience of Mental Disorders
Washington University School of Medicine
Department of Psychiatry, Box 8134
660 South Euclid Ave. Tel: 314-747-6173
St. Louis, MO  63110 Email: [log in to unmask]

From: Andreas Lidström <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To: FSL - FMRIB's Software Library <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Monday, April 28, 2014 6:08 AM
To: FSL - FMRIB's Software Library <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [FSL] Clarification of 'Effective Echo Spacing'

Hello,

I am running RS fMRI with an esp of 0.464ms and acceleration factor of 2.

In the instructions for B0 unwrapping it says that you should divide the esp by the acceleration factor but our MR physician is perplexed by this. He says that since we are accelerating our pulse-sequence in the phase direction(y) we are simply cutting the echo train in half leaving the echo-spacing unchanged. Does this mean we should not divide our esp by 2 or is this division still correct based on something else hidden in the program?

//Andreas


 


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