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I would echo John's email. My understanding is that Julian is challenging the assessment & diagnosis of dyslexia. Whilst I would welcome a discussion on the criteria for assessing & diagnosing a SpLD, I also think bodies/organisations such as SASC & PATOSS should be vocal in such a discussion. Whilst on the subject of Julian, I am sure there are 1000's of voices who could vocalise the benefits of their 'label' of something such as dyslexia. In my own experience, it is not the label but the explanation of what the label means, combined with 'this is what to do about it'. Naturally research is always welcomed because it stimulates thoughts, beliefs and possibly, practice. I also believe that good practice stimulates research. One shouldn't exist without the other otherwise unnecessary conflicts emerge. I would be interested to know the stakeholders of Julian's research and which of us and our governing bodies have been consulted in Julian's research. 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On 10 Apr 2014 15:58, "John Conway" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > But many will make the connection and even imagine a causal connection as > every statement taken to mean dyslexia doesn't exist fuels the diminution > of support for dyslexic students such as the end of the Disabled Student > Allowance for them. > > I don't think you are saying it doesn't exist but is how many have > perceived it. Assuming you are not saying it doesn't exist could you > clarify your views and help counter this government change to student > support??? > > Regards > John > (Sent from my iPhone) > > On 10 Apr 2014, at 09:43, "ELLIOTT J.G.C." <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > > You're mistaken, Daniel, although I can understand your reaction to what > is a coincidence. > > I only learned about the cuts when you did. > > The book was started in 2009 and I have had no involvement with B.I.S. My > focus is much more upon conceptual and operational issues concerning > dyslexia and its assessment than disability funding/resourcing. > > Best > > Julian > > > > > > Julian (Joe) Elliott AcSS., B.Ed., B.A., M.A., M.Sc., PhD., C.Psychol. > A.F.B.Ps.S. > Principal of Collingwood College > Professor of Education > Durham University > South Road > Durham DH1 3LT > United Kingdom > Tel: +44 191 334 5000 > email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > http://www.dur.ac.uk/education/staff/?id=2004 > ________________________________ > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [ > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf of > Daniel Aherne [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] > Sent: 10 April 2014 14:08 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: The end of dyslexia in higher education? > > Was I the only one who read the title of this message and assumed it was > related to the DSA cuts... > > On 10/04/14, "ELLIOTT J.G.C." <[log in to unmask]<mailto: > [log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > Dear colleagues > > > > I have read recent correspondence with great interest. > > > > I hope some of you will be attending the conference here in Durham on May > 7th. > > It is called The End of Dyslexia in HE? > > > > It will build upon my recent book The Dyslexia Debate and I hope that > after a discussion of recent findings in the research world, participants > can work together to examine the best ways to support students with various > disabilities. > > > > In order to maximise participation, I have tried to make this event as > cheap as possible - £60 (includes lunch and tea/coffee) Details are on the > sites below: > > > > https://www.dur.ac.uk/conference.booking/details/?id=297 > > > > > https://www.dur.ac.uk/resources/education/research/40101_DU_Advert_Dyslexia.pdf > > > > Thanks > > Julian > > > > Julian (Joe) Elliott AcSS., B.Ed., B.A., M.A., M.Sc., PhD., C.Psychol. > A.F.B.Ps.S. > Principal of Collingwood College > Professor of Education > Durham University > South Road > Durham DH1 3LT > United Kingdom > Tel: +44 191 334 5000 > email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > http://www.dur.ac.uk/education/staff/?id=2004 > ________________________________ > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [ > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf of > PERRETT C.J. [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] > Sent: 10 April 2014 13:43 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh, August > 2013 ?? > > Whilst I am in complete agreement about the source of these statistics > (and it seems like an incredibly spurious ‘fact’ to base a substantial > policy change on), my major concerns about this reform lie elsewhere. The > proposal to remove funding for any bands 1 and 2 NMH support will have a > significant effect on all categories of disabled students. We currently > have a PhD student who is unable to type independently and Dragon is not > suitable. They can only do their thesis with the support of a > typist/scribe. 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Rhif. 1138342 > > > > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ian Litterick > Sent: 09 April 2014 17:42 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh, August > 2013 ?? > > I’m told it **wasn’t** just Endsleigh customers, which would indeed have > been self defining, but from a/the NUS database. > > Ian > > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Melanie Thorley > Sent: 09 April 2014 17:15 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [DIS-FORUM] 96% of students own a laptop or net book - > Endsleigh, August 2013 ?? > > I agree with John, the methodology is questionable at best. It may even be > the case that only students who had taken out Endsleigh insurance may have > been contacted. A bit like Specsavers saying 96% of UK residents wear > glasses..... > > Melanie Thorley MAUA ANP > *AccessAbility Project Co-ordinator > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > 07931 226599 > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 9 Apr 2014, at 16:35, "Ian Litterick" <[log in to unmask]<mailto: > [log in to unmask]>> wrote: > Evidence-based policy making at its best. > > I had a similar conversation. This was a marketing exercise by Endsleigh. > The sample was from universities “which work well for us� , ie where > Endsleigh do more business, ie where they sell more insurance. The NUS may > be able to shed more light non methodology, but they are having their > annual conference. > > John’s comments on who is likely to respond are entirely valid. > > Regards > Ian Litterick > > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Imogen Bowers > Sent: 09 April 2014 16:11 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [DIS-FORUM] 96% of students own a laptop or net book - > Endsleigh, August 2013 ?? > > Hi > > Well found out John. > > It beggars belief that a whole raft of support is being dismantled on the > basis of such flimsy “evidence� . Makes me think that this decision is not > based on facts (clearly), or a desire to improve service provision or even > to save money but is merely as a result of a political ideology to rid us > of that pesky “state� and “scroungers". I heard the other month that they > were assessing as "fit to work� some people diagnosed with terminal > cancers (nice). If that is true then I don’t hold out much hope for DSA and > disabled students. > > Many Thanks > > Imogen > > Imogen Bowers > DSA Needs Assessor > > Imogen Bowers Consulting Limited > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > Company Registration Number: 6905754 > > > > On 9 Apr 2014, at 15:56, John Hodgson <[log in to unmask]<mailto: > [log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > Just spoke to the communications manager at Endsleigh. Endsleigh > commissioned NUS to undertake the survey and students were emailed at > random if they were happy for marketing materials to be sent to them. The > email asked if the student had a laptop/tablet etc. > > Not quite ringing someone to ask if they have a telephone but there are > parallels. > > Might be worth checking this is the case with NUS as I was told that she > wasn't totally clear on the methodology. My concern is that: > > * Students who don't have a laptop/computer may be less likely to leave an > email address and be unable to respond. > * Students who don't have a laptop/computer may not respond. > > I was told that these statistics were requested by Endsleigh for marking > purposes only. > > Kind regards, > > John Hodgson > Study Needs Assessor > > ________________________________ > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:53:01 +0000 > From: [log in to unmask]<mailto: > [log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh, August > 2013 ?? > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > So, 0.072% of registered students took part in the survey then? > > > Clearly a definitive figure. > > > Tim > > > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf OfMelanie Thorley > Sent: 09 April 2014 12:22 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh, August > 2013 ?? > > > I am not a statistician by any means. According to HESA, there were > 2,340,275 undergrads and postgrads registered for the 2012/3 academic year > - the same year the Endsleigh/NUS survey was undertaken which produced the > 96% figure. > > Melanie Thorley MAUA ANP > *AccessAbility Project Co-ordinator > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > 07931 226599 > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 9 Apr 2014, at 12:06, "Tim Symons" <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > Yes – one would presume it was an ‘online survey’…. > > > That sample is ridiculously small, biased and overtly flawed. > > > I presume that this will be the keystone in any defence. > > > Tim > > > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Melanie Thorley > Sent: 09 April 2014 12:03 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh, August > 2013 ?? > > > Plus, only 1704 students responded to the survey. It is possible the > students without a laptop or ready access to a computer may not have > completed the survey > Regards > Melanie > > Melanie Thorley MAUA ANP > *AccessAbility Project Co-ordinator > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > 07931 226599 > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 9 Apr 2014, at 12:00, "Tim Symons" <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > One would presume so…..Interesting….What percentage of students in receipt > of DSA is of the total student population I wonder? 10-20%? > > > Tim > > > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ALLMAN Dave > Sent: 09 April 2014 11:55 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh, August > 2013 ?? > > > Would the 96% include all of the students awarded computers through DSAs? > > Dave > Dave Allman > Head of > Student Enabling Centre > Student Office > Staffordshire University > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > 01782 294982 > From Blackberry > > From: Kevin Brunton [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 11:53 AM GMT Standard Time > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> < > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh, August > 2013 ?? > > According to this PR release the NUS actually undertook the research: > > > http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130724005816/en/Endsleigh-Students-%C2%A32000-Worth-Gadgets-Possessions-University#.U0Ul54XV6K0 > > > > > On 9 April 2014 11:45, Ian F. <[log in to unmask]<mailto: > [log in to unmask]>> wrote: > Hi all > > I'm struggling to verify or even find the source of the above statistic > mentioned in the recent SSIN > > http://www.practitioners.slc.co.uk/media/744663/ssin_01-15_apr2014.pdf > > Anyone else had any luck? It just doesn't seem correct in my experience, > but maybe the survey didn't cover east london. > > Given the NUS's response to David Willetts statement on DSA changes, I'm > sure Endsleigh will want their stats to be accurately quoted and not quoted > out of context... > > Ian > > > > > > ________________________________ > The information in this email is confidential and is intended solely for > the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. > > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, > except for the purpose of delivery to the addressee, is prohibited and may > be unlawful. Kindly notify the sender and delete the message and any > attachment from your computer. > > > > ________________________________ > University of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee, > registered in England (reg. no. 986729). 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