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Fascinating discussion, and it's clearly raising some questions for the HEA to clarify. For those writing individual applications and struggling to get this finished, you could consider coming to the SEDA Writing Retreat in Cumbria on 9, 10, 11 April (one, two or three days). There is still space and myself and Anna Jones will be more than happy to support you there - see http://www.seda.ac.uk/?p=14_2&e=449 At Oxford Brookes, we've been supporting colleagues to achieve Senior and Principal Fellowship since 2012-13 and now have a good number of both SFHEAs and PFHEAs through our accredited programme. Currently there are 3 externals on this pathway, and a further 2 from partner colleges about to join. I have not investigated the overseas dimension, but our understanding is that any recognition fees charged by the HEA depend on whether the candidate is a member of a subscribing institution, and it's £150 if they are not - see http://www.heacademy.ac.uk/assets/documents/calendar/Tariff_new_Layout_1_111012_1056.pdf Please feed back from the HEDG meeting to the list - I'd be very interested to hear the outcomes, best regards, Frances Frances Deepwell OCSLD Oxford Brookes University SEDA Writing Retreat <http://www.seda.ac.uk/?p=14_2&e=449>- A two, or three, day residential event in Cumbria, offering support and dedicated writing time in beautiful surroundings - 09 April 2014 - 11 April 2014 - sign up now! *Come and join the Brookes Learning and Teaching Conference on 1 April 2014: *Space to Learn* - see **http://openbrookes.net/bltc14/ <http://openbrookes.net/bltc14/> * On 14 March 2014 10:12, Barbara Workman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I have been watching this discussion with interest. As part of Middlesex's > preparation for gaining HEA accreditation for SF and PFHEA I applied for > and was awarded a PFHEA (paid for by the Institution) last year and am now > working with colleagues to support them in applying for both PF and SF. I > am happy to work with colleagues externally in a mentoring capacity for > their applications, although we can't offer accreditation in-house as yet > as we're still working towards it. Skype and email are great mentoring > tools! > Regards > Barbara > Dr Barbara Workman > NTFS, PFHEA > Principal Learning Development Consultant > Institute for Work Based Learning > ________________________________________ > From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development > Association [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of BLAND TOMKINSON [ > [log in to unmask]] > Sent: 14 March 2014 09:35 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Inquiry about Senior fellowship HEA > > I think that there are a couple of issues here. > As a Visiting Lecturer, I was hoping that University of Manchester would > see me through to SF/PF but they seem very dilatory and don't appear to > have understood the nature of the higher levels (there is talk of lunchtime > courses...). It strikes me that I could do a trade with someone else and > do a bit of visiting lecturing in return for enrolment in their > institutional scheme! > The second point is that of mentoring - even for those of us who are UK > based it can be daunting to be the first one in the field. My faculty has > set up a buddying scheme, but we only have one successful SFHEA (and he is > leaving) and I don't think that there is yet a PFHEA in the whole > institution. Certainly, writing has taken me several months and several > man-days and I am still not yet in a position to submit. > Once the situation stabilises I guess that we will have some clarity and > perhaps a greater degree of mutual help. > > Kind regards > > Bland > > > ________________________________ > From: Gina Wisker <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014, 9:11 > Subject: Re: Inquiry about Senior fellowship HEA > > thanks a lot Jane- getting clearer! I think this is the beginning of an > international rush - maybe- so wed better have some systems in place - > let us not underestimate the time the writing and mentoring takes - and > the importance of gettingsome sound widely accepted practices in place. > Happy to discuss further- Gina > ________________________________________ > From: Jane.Roberts [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask] > >] > Sent: 14 March 2014 09:06 > To: Gina Wisker; [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: RE: Inquiry about Senior fellowship HEA > > Hi Gina, Celia et al > > I am an HEA assessor and have some involvement with the OU OpenPAD > accredited scheme. My understanding (not gospel) is: > > 1. accredited schemes can collaborate with other institutions (presumably > if this was included in the accreditation application). The OU does this > with one other partner so far. > 2. there is a restriction on overseas staff, whether these are employed > by the accredited institution or a partner. Specific accreditation is > required in respect of each overseas location. > > I think in Celia's case the most straightforward route would be direct > application, perhaps with mentoring. > > I agree generic support for direct applications is lacking and some way of > providing this would be welcome, perhaps through a combination of OER and > mentoring. Happy to discuss further with interested parties! From May I > will have a new role at the OU promoting professional recognition and this > was already on my list of avenues to explore. > > With best wishes, Jane > > > > Jane Roberts SFHEA SFSEDA > Staff Tutor, The Open University, MCT, R03 > Associate Assessor, Higher Education Academy > 01179 888030 > x 63130 > ________________________________________ > From: Gina Wisker [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask] > >] > Sent: 14 March 2014 08:41 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Inquiry about Senior fellowship HEA > > Interesting discussion throughout . > I think there could be a role for SEDA in supporting colleagues, > that doesn't sort out the issue of doing it through an accredited > institution, raised by Celia, or doing it direct- > or whether an accredited intitution can actually enable 'outsiders' to do > their schemes- > > I paid the £500 as we did not have scheme when I sent mine through (I > got it back , and we have an accredited scheme now at Brighton - but I > needed the experience and the credibility to lead on this ) > > and Celia you might well be looking at PFHEA not SFHEA as you lead on > learning and teaching - so its that kind of advice (mapping job roles to > fellowships) which along with reading drafts we could offer from SEDA > Some of us are giving this support for colleagues and friends within > institutional schemes, and externally anyway (no fee ) as they are > -friends and colleagues . > > Anyone got insider HEA knowledge on this? > Gina > Head of centre for Learning and Teaching > University of Brighton > > ________________________________________ > From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development > Association [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf > of Marita Grimwood [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] > Sent: 14 March 2014 08:34 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Inquiry about Senior fellowship HEA > > This is an interesting question. I'm currently working on my SFHEA > application and, as a freelancer, I am reliant on (and very grateful for!) > the kind support of a colleague who has offered to read a draft for me. > However, as SEDA Fellowships Co-ordinator, I offer guidance on applications > for SFSEDA from colleagues wherever they are, regardless of location or > institutional affiliation. There seems to be a gap here in the HEA's > provision - especially in the light of the increased cost to those who > apply independently, for example from other countries. (£500 I think). > > Marita > > Dr. Marita Grimwood > Learning and Teaching Consultant > > 0781 6988779 > http://uk.linkedin.com/in/maritagrimwood > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development > Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On > Behalf Of Wheeler, Anne > Sent: 14 March 2014 08:11 > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Inquiry about Senior fellowship HEA > > I think by collaborative partners it means those with whom there is a > formal collaboration, e.g. with a memorandum of co-operation. I know that > Aston has been exploring this through their collaboration with the > University of Da Nang. Debby is correct that there is a charge to the > ‘host’ institution by the HEA for international staff accreditation (i.e. > those staff at an international HEI), although it is only about £50 I > think. > > It will be an interesting question to ask at HEDG today. I would be > interested to hear about the response. > > Anne > > On 14/03/2014 07:30, "Debby Cotton" <[log in to unmask]<mailto: > [log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > >I'm not sure about that. I think most schemes have been set up to serve > >the home institution staff and this was explicitly encouraged by the HEA. > >I also have a feeling that there's an additional payment to the HEA > >needed (on top of anything you might charge) if you accredit staff from > >beyond your institution. For this reason, it might be cheaper to go > >directly to the HEA. Will be interesting to see what the HEDG > >discussion throws up on this. > >Debby > > > >Debby Cotton > >Professor of Higher Education and Head of Educational Development, > >PedRIO and Educational Development, > >Tel: 01752 587614 > >http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/staff/dcotton > >Sub editor: Journal of Geography in Higher Education Follow me on > >Twitter: @ProfDcotton > > > >________________________________________ > >From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development > >Association [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf > of Joelle Fanghanel > >[[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] > >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 7:01 AM > >To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: Inquiry about Senior fellowship HEA > > > >Schemes are open to collaborative partners, so that must expand to > >whoever is considered a suitable candidate? > >Joelle > > > >Sent from my iPad > > > >On 14 Mar 2014, at 06:58, "Susan Betty Clayton" > ><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto: > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>> wrote: > > > >It is an interesting question. We are discussing CPD matters at HEDG > >today - HEA giving a talk - principally about good standing issue - but > >I'll ask about this for you, Celia. > >One issue may be that because most schemes are aimed at institutional > >focus they tend to have customised 'bits' in terms of evidence > >requirements. > >So, you may find the direct HEA route more applicable to any context. > >But in theory, I don't see why external applications couldn't be taken. > > > >Best, > >Sue > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >On 14 Mar 2014, at 06:47, "Haydn Blackey" > ><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask] > ><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto: > [log in to unmask]>>> > >wrote: > > > >An interesting question Celia, > > > >The way our scheme is approved at South Wales we can only accredit > >using the CPD route (the only route to Senior Fellow and Principal > >Fellow) people who are teaching on University courses – i.e. our own > >staff or staff at our partner FE colleges. > > > >So we couldn’t help. I’m not sure whether this approach is common in > >the other CPD schemes, but we were encouraged in this direction by the > >Academy when we accredited or scheme. > > > >Cheers, > >Haydn > >Haydn Blackey > >Director of the Centre for Excellence in Learning and Teaching > >│Cyfarwyddwr Canolfan Rhagoriaeth Dysgu ac Addysgu Centre for > >Excellence in Learning and Teaching │Canolfan Rhagoriaeth Dysgu ac > >Addysgu University of South Wales │Prifysgol De Cymru Lodge Road │Heol > >y Porthdy Caerleon│Caerllion Wales│Cymru > >NP18 3QT > >Tel │Ffôn: +44 (0)1633 432011 > >[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask] > ><mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > >http://www.southwales.ac.uk<http://www.southwales.ac.uk/>< > http://www.southwales.ac.uk/> > > > ><image003.jpg> > > > >From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development > >Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On > Behalf Of Celia Popovic > >Sent: 14 March 2014 01:31 > >To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto: > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > >Subject: Inquiry about Senior fellowship HEA > > > > > > > >As a couple of expats living and working in Canada Ellen Sims and I > >(Celia Popovic) are interested in applying for the senior fellowship > >with the HEA and wondering if any British colleagues are offering an > >accreditation route through their schemes that would be open to > >externals. 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