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Pat, from our friends at Wiki pee: The term bogan (/ˈboʊɡən/)[1] is Australian and New Zealand slang, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for an individual who is recognised to be from an unsophisticated background or someone whose speech, clothing, attitude and behaviour exemplify a lack of manners and education.[2] Hadn't thought about the 'bog' element. Heaney no one's idea of a bogan. What about a 'to bog (g) an'? Bill > On 5 Mar 2014, at 8:58 pm, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > A bogan sounds like someone out of an Irish bog (bit like myself in fact0 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Bill Wootton > Sent: 05 March 2014 06:20 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: One knacker > > Two tinies duly amended, thanks, Max. No idea what happened to Sean. The > footy coach actually instructed him to 'take out' an opposing ruckman from > Lalor who was making the difference in the game. Sean did but never looked > the coach in the eye again. 'Bogan' probably does not apply out of Aus but > hey, let's see what Patrick and Doug make of the term. A 'sleeve' is a > single arm's worth of tattoos. I'd send a pic but this site won't handle it. > > > Cheers, > Bill > >> On 05/03/2014, at 12:04 PM, Max Richards wrote: >> >> quite a full character sketch, Bill, and from how many years back? >> >> [tiny slips: >> de rigueur >> and shift hyphen up against sergeant] >> >> of course this reader is curious - >> what became of Sean? >> and you'd tell us if you knew. >> Splendid set of false teeth, I trust. >> >> [does the word bogan work outside Australia, I wonder?] >> >> not sure I can visualise single sleeves. >> >> I'm still a bit shocked at the coach's yell. >> >> Max >> >> >> >>> On 05/03/2014, at 8:06 AM, Bill Wootton wrote: >>> >>> One knacker >>> >>> Illiterate Sean, with his goofy >>> grin, both arms scraggily >>> tattooed above lanky wrists >>> (before single sleeves >>> became bogan de rigeur), >>> you wanted on your side. >>> Sean, that loosest >>> of Watsonia cannons. >>> >>> Cranky and snap-violent, >>> punctual only by accident, >>> lacking customary restraints, >>> tight grey-panted Sean, >>> to those in the know, >>> was a testicle light >>> but a ballsier leader >>> you'd struggle to find. >>> >>> Bursting through the centre >>> with the damp footy >>> one Greensborough winter, >>> kicking the sealer, >>> he inspired the coach >>> to yell, Go One-Knacker. >>> Sean shook his head >>> afterwards. Don't do that. >>> >>> A product of 9D, >>> legendarily unteachable, >>> reaching year 11 >>> on tech school >>> automatic promotion, >>> Sean toothlessly offered >>> to assist three of us >>> teachers last period Friday >>> >>> when fifteen-year olds >>> get a whiff of weekend. >>> We stood back >>> while Sean sergeant >>> -majored kids to seats, >>> cocked an eye at us >>> and rasped: Don't forget >>> to all do your homework. >>> >>> bw >