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Yeah I think so. Printers are allowed to make a profit for the service they offer. They just wouldn’t be making a profit on the ebook per se…. Of course that only applies to printing ebooks, and not for the other types of OERs out there… P On 18 Mar 2014, at 11:06, Alex Fenlon <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > That's an interesting twist that I quite like Peter! Almost like a Lulu/ print on demand type concept > > Alex > > -----Original Message----- > From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Reed > Sent: 18 March 2014 11:05 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: non-profit = non-commercial > > To me the question is not about the license, it's about the 'service', which in this case is printing and binding. If it was sold as such, I don't think there would be a problem.... > > Best wishes > Peter > > > > On 18 Mar 2014, at 11:01, Alex Fenlon <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi Pat et al. >> >> I remember several of these discussions taking place over recent weeks and months (and years even!) as we've struggled with the different interpretations. I seem to recall there was something from CC themselves about taking care to define what NC means. I think the advice was for each Licensor that grants an NC licence to consider what it defines as commercial use and also NC. This would remove the ambiguity at least for Licencees of those particular works and help in those circumstances. (I also have bells ringing where certain OER-ers did do this ... ?) >> >> Not sure that helps much either with the umbrella approach you might be looking for Pat. >> >> Alex. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris.Pegler >> Sent: 18 March 2014 10:53 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: non-profit = non-commercial >> >> Pat >> >> If its non profit its not profitable after all costs are accounted for, which raises an issue about what the costs are and so what the 'cost price' is. For example its common in universities for the cost of an academic to include not only their salary but also a whole load of overheads. This can almost double the cost and includes an automatic allocation to all sorts of general expenses. Did you mean 'direct costs'? >> >> This sort of discussion also comes up when charities charge large admin fees. For example including large salaries. >> >> This may not be the solution that you are looking for? >> >> Chris >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Pat Lockley [[log in to unmask]] >> Sent: 18 March 2014 10:41 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: non-profit = non-commercial >> >> Hello all, >> >> Discussion in the other place led me to an sticking point with NC licenses >> >> If there was a site which sold - at cost price - physical copies of presently digital OER, say bound printed epubs or CDs / DVDs, and in the sale of these items made no profit (so was non-profit / >> provident?) would you consider that commercial? >> >> Thinking is for people who don't have easy access to the internet this might prove a useful intermediary >> >> Pat >> -- The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302).