I thought some of you might find this useful/interesting: Social Media sites: photo metadata test results 'We have uploaded a test image with embedded metadata and have checked if any of the embedded values are displayed and if so, which ones. As a next step we have tried to save the picture from a Social Media web site or system on our computer and then we checked what metadata fields are still embedded.' http://www.embeddedmetadata.org/social-media-test-results.php Cheers, Mia -------------------------------------------- http://openobjects.org.uk/ http://twitter.com/mia_out I mostly use this address for list mail and don't check it daily; use my open.ac.uk address for personal email On 28 January 2014 15:51, James Morley <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > To anyone who hasn't tumed out from this thread, you might find this > interesting - http://pro.europeana.eu/pro-blog/-/blogs/copyright-public-consultation%3A-europeana-responds-have-you > --- > James Morley > www.jamesmorley.net / @jamesinealing > www.whatsthatpicture.com / @PhotosOfThePast > www.apennypermile.com / @APennyPerMile > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, James Morley <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Thanks Sarah, as you say, I think the reality is that the only possible way >> for any sort of progress is nagging from all parties. >> >> Two specific comments though: >> >> - you say even those who should know are "confused about embedded >> software". Absolutely! I have been looking at a few projects where I simply >> wanted to do the right thing and employ best practice, but boy was it hard >> to find anything to help me quickly and easily work out what I needed to do, >> and how to do it. >> >> - "museums are wary of placing images on social media" do you mean the >> likes of Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Instagram? I simply cannot fathom why >> anyone would hesitate to share a screen-res image on their own accounts on >> any of those, any more than I can understand any museum preventing visitors >> taking photographs and sharing them. Surely we've moved on from that? >> >> And on a lighter note - especially since it's Friday once again ... I know >> you and several others here have seen this, but I thought I'd share it here >> too. >> >> http://culturepics.org is a hack I threw together last weekend which was >> initially intended to be a placehold.it / placekitten.com type service, but >> based on open access cultural heritage collections (initially about 40,000 >> images from Flickr Commons, and I'm just looking to integrate many more >> api-accessible records from e.g. Eurapeana). It's grown provide a simple to >> use discovery tool, and I've had a few other interesting ideas to extend it. >> You'll be pleased to hear that the plan (not yet implemented - see above >> about what and how!) is even if they have a CC0/PD license to embed >> attribution and basic information into the metadata of the derivative images >> it serves up, which in the case of Flickr images is actually sticking back >> in what they stripped out (or from what I've seen from many of the source >> images, adding in what the original owner never had there in the first >> place!). >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> James Morley >> www.jamesmorley.net / @jamesinealing >> www.whatsthatpicture.com / @PhotosOfThePast >> www.apennypermile.com / @APennyPerMile >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Sarah Saunders <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >>> >>> James >>> >>> I completely agree with what you;re saying and that's why the IPTC Photo >>> Metadata Group is emphasising the role of technology and software companies >>> in trying to solve the attribution problem. The issue though, is that most >>> don't want to change anything unless and until their users ask for it. >>> >>> At IPTC our MD tried to get hold of the social media organisations when we >>> did our survey of metadata retention (or put otherwise, stripping). We >>> couldn't get a single response from any of the companies, so the only way >>> forward is to make as much noise as possible outside, and publish the >>> findings so that others can understand the issues and start to ask for >>> metadata to be taken seriously. >>> >>> Here's the campaign site (set up by IPTC Photo Metadata Working group) >>> >>> http://www.embeddedmetadata.org/ >>> >>> and the results of our social media metadata survey >>> >>> http://www.embeddedmetadata.org/social-media-test-results.php >>> >>> The cultural sector has a long way to go - even hardened picture library >>> software companies (with a few honorable exceptions) are confused about >>> embedded software. Many people working in heritage organisations are in hoc >>> to their tech departments who tell them 'it can't be done' or 'it's not a >>> priority'. Some museums are wary of placing images on social media, and so >>> they should be. Perhaps the social media companies (I've said this before!) >>> will listen to some very large national institutions. >>> >>> It's great that we are talking about it! >>> >>> Sarah >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 17:30, James Morley wrote: >>> >>> > Interesting piece. The polarised comments frustrate me though and don't >>> > really serve to take the argument anywhere. Start saying 'thou shalt >>> > not' >>> > to a kid won't get you anywhere, just as citing details of outdated >>> > copyright law aren't exactly going to encourage someone on social media >>> > to >>> > start thinking about the precise way in which they should use an image. >>> > >>> > As I said there, it strikes me that the basic problem lies in both the >>> > nature of the medium and the technology that supports it. Combine that >>> > with >>> > a confused bunch of 'users' with no clear guidance on what is best >>> > practice >>> > or even just decent, let alone the law, and it's a recipe for the chaos >>> > that ensues. And the sad thing is that in almost all cases no-one sets >>> > out >>> > to intentionally upset anyone, and if they had a helping hand they'd be >>> > more than happy to do the correct thing (as this case shows with the >>> > fact >>> > that three people took the trouble to provide attribution, even though >>> > they >>> > got it wrong!). >>> > >>> > Wonderfully naive, but isn't technology part of the answer? When you >>> > publish an image, embed copyright information. When it is saved, >>> > modified, >>> > shared ensure that that information persists (one of the almost >>> > ubiquitous >>> > failings of current social media platforms, which strip out metadata, as >>> > we've discussed before). Then wherever it is published make sure that >>> > that >>> > information is readily accessible. For example on Flickr you can see a >>> > page >>> > of EXIF data extracted from the uploaded image (even though they strip >>> > it >>> > from derivatives!) and why not make a right-click option available in >>> > every >>> > modern web browser to view basic exif/iptc data on any image? Then that >>> > crucial trail would not be lost at every step. >>> > >>> > --- >>> > James Morley >>> > www.jamesmorley.net / @jamesinealing >>> > www.whatsthatpicture.com / @PhotosOfThePast >>> > www.apennypermile.com / @APennyPerMile >>> > <http://www.apennypermile.com> >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Angela Murphy >>> > <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>> > >>> >> A salutary tale about image attribution (with thanks to David Riecks >>> >> and >>> >> David Sanger) - and a reminder that links should be to the original >>> >> copyright holder where possible >>> >> http://www.davidsanger.com/blog/the-piano-player-of-kiev >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Angela Murphy >>> >> Consultant >>> >> Image Management and Rights Clearance >>> >> >>> >> The Image Business >>> >> 21 Leamington Road Villas >>> >> Notting Hill >>> >> London W11 1HS >>> >> Tel: +44-(0)20-77274920 >>> >> Mob: +44-(0)7973-820020 >>> >> >>> >> email: [log in to unmask] >>> >> http://about.me/angelamurphy >>> >> >>> >> On 17 Jan 2014, at 09:46, James Morley wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hi, a 'quick' Friday question ... >>> >>> >>> >>> If you are planning to use images under a license that requires >>> >>> attribution, but the mechanism for attribution is not specified, which >>> >>> of the following would people deem acceptable? >>> >>> >>> >>> - display an image on a web page and having a full citation and link >>> >>> (ok, I think that's an obvious yes) >>> >>> - display an image on a website with attribution in a hidden >>> >>> "title=xyz" attribute >>> >>> - give generic credits for images at the end of a page, or even on a >>> >>> separate page >>> >>> - overlay an image with a text 'watermark' attribution (but does that >>> >>> create a derivative, which gets even more confusing!) >>> >>> - embed all attribution details in image metadata >>> >>> >>> >>> One of the reasons for asking is that most of the licenses I have seen >>> >>> seem to be focused around web usage, but what about mobile apps, >>> >>> in-gallery interactives etc? >>> >>> >>> >>> I appreciate that licences vary and some will specify exact >>> >>> requirements, but I ask the question in a generic way, and perhaps >>> >>> also thinking in the spirit of the law, rather than just the letter. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, James >>> >>> >>> >>> PS taking the most obvious example of Creative Commons, it seems that >>> >>> they have in part addressed this with 4.0 which says "In 4.0, the >>> >>> manner of attribution is explicitly allowed to be reasonable to the >>> >>> means, medium, and context of how one shares a work." 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