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I would consider the proliferation of badly paid one-year jobs and the concomitant decrease of full-time permanent posts a problem that should worry us all. We should also be worried about new PhDs being hired into full-time permanent posts on what looks initially like decent contracts, only to find out, sometimes within weeks of their arrival, that their new university is trying to move them onto not-so-decent contracts. All of this is part of a larger problem that the Unions have not been able to solve for us: the deliberate depression of pay and working conditions for academics in the UK, particularly in the Humanities. If any university worth its salt considers £17,000 / year decent pay, or 8 teaching hours / week a part-time job, I'd say we're pretty far down that route already. Susanne -- Professor Susanne Kord School of Languages, Culture and Society (German) UCL Gower Street London WC1E 6BT, UK Tel. +44 (0)20 7679 3103 (o) +44 (0)20 7679 7120 (main) FAX+44 (0)20 7679 0157 http://www.ucl.ac.uk/german/aboutus/staff/susanne-kord From: Steve Giles <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Reply-To: Steve Giles <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Monday, 24 March 2014 18:45 To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: riduculous payment - but hey, it's Oxford! 2 points: how can nils possibly know what 'most people on this list have been thinking for a while'? and if pay and conditions can't be a topic, in general or at a particular uni, presumably we also shdn't make representations about departmental closures, loss of lektorInnen, or even dismissal of renowned senior staff (eg at bristol)? steve professor steve giles dept of german university of nottingham ________________________________ From: JISCmail German Studies List [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Nils Langer [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 11:38 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: riduculous payment - but hey, it's Oxford! Can I be the spoil-sport and express what most people on this list will have been thinking for a while: This is not a topic for our list, both as a general issue (pay conditions) and as regards discussing the practice of a(ny) particular university. yours, nils -- Prof. Nils Langer Subject Lead (German Dept.) Professor of Germanic Linguistics School of Modern Languages 21 Woodland Road University of Bristol BS8 1TE Stor Britannien 0117 928 9841 www.bris.ac.uk/german<http://www.bris.ac.uk/german> www.fgls.ac.uk<http://www.fgls.ac.uk/> www.hison.ac.uk<http://www.hison.ac.uk/> www.onion.com<http://www.onion.com/> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.