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From a different - open - list discussing problems with GPES (actually the problems with logging on with smart card if Java has been updated beyond 6) and who to contact. "By all means contact the HSCIC. Probably best to do that through the Contact Centre (http://www.hscic.gov.uk/contact-us). Questions and answers are logged that way and the same reply is given to everyone." GP-UK has been very quiet recently seeing the furore over care.data and lack of info on getting QOF uploaded. Indiscreet question - but is it considered - er - inadvisable - to comment on a public list? Mary Hawking Retired from NHS on 31.3.13 because of the Health and Social Care Act 2012 "thinking - independent thinking - is to humans as swimming is to cats: we can do it if we really have to." Mark Earles on Radio 4 blog http://maryhawking.wordpress.com/ And Fred! http://primaryhealthinfo.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/freds-saying-you-just-dont -get-it/