I think talking to people about their dreams, aspirations and goals is a much better starting point. i.e. what do you want to achieve, how do you want to get there, and then what do we need to do to support you to achieve that? 

Sitting in a room talking about everything that is 'wrong' with a person and what they 'can't do' so that you can find a service that best attempts to plug the gaps is a demeaning experience. I'm not sure assessing barriers would have much practical use for a learning disabled person. 

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Paul Swann <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Essential reading:

Disability Policy and Practice: Applying the Social Model (Eds, Colin Barnes & Geof Mercer, The Disability Press, Leeds, 2004)

The New Politics of Disablement: (Michael Oliver and Colin Barnes, Palgrave Macmillan, 2012)

On 5 Feb 2014, at 22:12, Gregor Wolbring <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I think a better question is how many countries allow ability diverse people to self-identify as ability diverse and still ask for human rights remedies for discriminations/bad treatment experienced because of their ability-diverse body (includes mental abilities...).
> Or in other ways how many demand a self identification as an ability deviant person , an impaired person an not species-typical person in order to be part of human rihit remedies and social  accommodation remedies.
>
> This question as such  can not be answered with  who follows a social model of disability
>
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> Cheers Gregor
>
> Dr. Gregor Wolbring
> Associate Professor Community Rehabilitation and Disability Studies
> Dept. of Community Health Sciences
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> These are good points. It would appear though that the UK and NZ govts explicitly reference the social model, which gives some standard against which to measure their efforts. In Australia failure to reference this or any other model or approach explicitly has made solid critique more difficult. Our signing and ratifying CRPD has helped to some extent, to frame initiatives and reforms, but at best this serves as an overarching reference point rather than a mechanism by which we can hold people accountable.  And, unfortunately, the more evidence that comes in about policies and practice not matching social model rhetoric, the greater the argument by non-adopting govts to make an explicit commitment to the social model.
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> On 06/02/2014, at 8:15 AM, Vin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Got there before me Larry - couldn't agree more. The Welsh Government
>> has good intentions and nominally works within the Social Model but
>> the underlying attitudes of all but a few Ministers and officials is
>> instinctively Med Model but the UK Coalition has perpetrated a
>> disability hate crime since taking office
>>
>> Vin
>> from my phone
>>
>>> On 5 Feb 2014, at 20:53, Larry Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Uk Government categorically does not follow the social model.
>>>
>>> We currently have a Government intent upon undoing all the advances of the last two decades and more, replacing assessments for disability benefits with pseudo medical tests designed to deny the existence of disabled people and a concerted Government backed press campaign of hatred implying that unless you are a Paralympian, you are a fraud and therefore should be driven out of your home and starved to death because work makes you free.
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>>> Larry
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>>> Hi Janice,
>>> I think the munber of governments 'following' a social model of disability is too small to comprise a list. The only governments embracing such a model are the UK and NZ governmnets. I suspect the reason for this state of affiars is due, in part, to the utility of a bio-medical definition of disability. It is not only useful for governments, it legitimates the plethora of human services in Western societies, where manufacturing has declined over many years.
>>>
>>> May I ask why you are asking? And could I ask your reason for reviewing the DDA?
>>>
>>> Pamela
>>>
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>>> Subject: Governments that have embraced a Social Model paradigm
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>>>
>>> Hello colleagues,
>>> Is anyone compiling a list of which governments have made the move
>>> from the traditional medical model to a social model of disability,
>>> as they try to implement change? I know it is happening in dribs and
>>> drabs across the world, at National, state and local government
>>> levels, although not consistently. New Zealand embraced the social
>>> model 13 years ago...what other countries have followed suit?
>>>
>>> Janice,
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