For a study of the pilot year of BBC Schools News Report see
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/media-literacy/lifeblood.pdfand
particularly pp 79-81 for an account of what a proper news analysis
curriculum for 12-14 year olds might look like.
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On 30 January 2014 17:09, Sonia Livingstone <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thanks Angela - have emailed the BBC as below. Let's see what comes of
> it. Sonia
>
>
>
> *From:* Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA)
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Angela Phillips
> *Sent:* 30 January 2014 17:00
>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Newsnight De Botton on 'the news"
>
>
>
> The fact that it is a PR led story is no reason NOT to do the journalism.
> On the contrary.
>
>
>
> However it seems that the main argument here is that, de Botton made a
> perfectly valid point but without recognising that there are many people
> who are working very hard to do precisely what he advocates and none of
> them were represented.
>
>
>
> I think that all the people on this thread should now email the BBC
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/
>
>
>
> The failure to recognise that there is an expert body willing and able to
> debate matters relating to the media and media education is a matter of
> real frustration for many people and it seems that this is a perfectly good
> opportunity to make ourselves heard. The Beeb is more likely to be
> concerned about 20 academics complaining than about one organisation that
> says it speaks for us. More than 20 would be even better
>
>
>
> AP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2014, at 14:55, Kirsten MacLeod wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> It may interest you to know that de Botton is founder and Chair of The
> School of Life (www.theschooloflife.com) which today launched The
> Philosopher's Mail (www.philosophersmail.com) ....his appearance &
> comments were perhaps not entirely led by an agenda of media education but
> rather promoting his own latest business venture. Hence the lack of depth
> in the BBC Newsnight piece.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kirsten MacLeod
>
>
>
> Kirsten MacLeod
>
> Lecturer Edinburgh Napier University
>
> Producer/Director/Researcher
> Broadcast & Community Media
>
> e: [log in to unmask]
>
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2014, at 14:14, Lisette Johnston wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I don't usually comment in discussions, but hav having just come from a
> wonderful morning working with some great teenagers for BBC School Report
> I felt I should contribute as I am in the interesting position of being
> involved in this project, but also a member of BBC staff and also a PhD
> student of journalism. The Newnight comments unfortunately indicate a wider
> lack of understanding of what media studies is and how young people are
> benefitting from instruction in the subject. I met a wonderful teacher who
> has great ideas and options in her media studiis courses, but said few
> acaemdically gifted students will take the subject as A Level because it is
> not recognised by UCAS for university. I believe Suzanne Franks and Sonia
> Livingstone both touched on this in their keynote speeches earlier this
> month. The fact it's not recognised paints a picture of 'mickey mouse'
> courses within the education system itself - so in a way it is no surprise
> that some people such as De Botton come out with such ignorant comments.
> However, working in TV I believe broadcasting such a one sided debate is
> not ideal by any standards and I do think contacting Newsnight is the best
> action. Ian Katz is their editior and usually quite receptive to email,
> though I don't know him personally.
>
>
>
> Apologies if this doubles up on previous comments, I have not been able to
> read them all.
>
>
>
> Lisette Johnston
>
> City University London
>
>
>
> *From:* "McLoone, Martin" <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 30 January 2014, 12:10
> *Subject:* Re: Newsnight De Botton on 'the news"
>
>
>
> Colleagues
>
>
>
> Informing everyone that one's new book is published is one use for this
> list - having a relevant, pertinent and timely discussion on policy issues
> is another, even more productive use. I wish we had more of such discussion.
>
>
>
> In 1977, I monitored the news with my first year (11-12 year olds) at
> Holloway School in London. This Friday, I retire after 40 years teaching
> (and informing you all of this is another use for the list). This debate
> has hardly moved on in all this time and Cary is right that it should be a
> legitimate concern of ours and of MeCCSA.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Martin McLoone
>
> ....................................
>
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>
> Prof of Media Studies
>
> Director: Centre for Media Research
>
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> *From: *Cary Bazalgette <[log in to unmask]>
> *Reply-To: *Cary Bazalgette <[log in to unmask]>
> *Date: *Thursday 30 January 2014 11:53
> *To: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject: *Re: Newsnight De Botton on 'the news"
>
>
>
> It's also quite funny that they were unaware of the annual BBC Schools
> News project which is aimed at 13 year olds. They believe it ticks the box
> for "kids studying news" - I think they're mistaken and said so in the
> BFI/Ofcom research report "Lifeblood of Democracy? Teaching TV News" (link
> to follow).
>
> Cary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2014, at 11:12, "Ganz, Adam" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> The really shocking thing is that the Newsnight researchers were either
> too ignorant or too snobbish to invite any of the many distinguished Media
> theorists who might have contributed to the panel -and are now contributing
> to the thread.
>
>
>
> Perhaps MECCSA could propose a debate with de Botton about the need for
> Media Studies in school, as a counter to the Govian agenda referred
> to above.
>
>
>
> The IoE would be a great place to host it.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Adam Ganz
>
> Senior Lecturer
>
> Department of Media Arts
> Royal Holloway University of London
> Egham Surrey
> TW20 0EX
>
> 01784 443734
>
>
>
> *From:* Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) <
> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Paul Lashmar <
> [log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* 30 January 2014 11:08
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Newsnight De Botton on 'the news"
>
>
>
> Gary - that's absolutely right. Schools also teach pupils to critique news
> in many other contexts - debates, etc. The problem is ontological not
> pedagogical. You have got to want to understand the world before anyone can
> teach you how.
>
>
>
> The discussion thereafter was more heat than light.
>
>
>
> As
>
>
>
> *From:* Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [
> mailto:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Garry
> Whannel
> *Sent:* 30 January 2014 10:20
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Newsnight De Botton on 'the news"
>
>
>
> Alain De Botton was on Newsnight last night. He declared that it was a
> problem that we don't teach children how to "read" the news. He appeared
> to unaware of the existence of Media Studies. None of the panel, which
> included Alastair Campbell, challenged his ill informed views. I think
> MeCCSA should consider registering a complaint on behalf of the profession.
> The item on Newsnight is available on IPLayer. It commences 16.00m
> in.
>
> At 16.43 Alain de Botton at the start of a filmed intro item, declares:
>
> "At school they teach you how to analyse books and pictures, but no one
> ever tells you how to make sense of that far more powerful questionable art
> form, the news. We're taught to decode Shakespeare but not the celebrity
> section of he Daily Mail; George Eliot but not The Sun"
>
> How long has Media Studies been an A Level subject ?
>
>
>
>
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