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Hi all, We definitely don't subscribe to this - but I'm more worried about the mention of 'archaeological consultancies' using it - is this instead of HERs? Obviously there are the whole issues of data not being up-to-date, as well as the lack of advice that goes with the data etc. Unfortunately, this highlights one of the potential dangers of the whole 'open data' agenda being pushed by Government i.e. everybody give their data out to everybody so that people can develop websites'; what you then have is many sources of heritage information (either out of date as it represents a one-off HER export) or mis-represented, or without the interpretation advice that goes with HER the information. And unfortunately, that also leads to the possibility that contractors, local societies etc will go to those sources as opposed to HERs. Just my two-pennies... Cheers! Alex Please note that as of 10th January 2014 I will no longer be working for Hampshire County Council and as such all future email correspondence should be sent to the Historic Environment communal inbox at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> . Alternatively you can call the team on 01962 832339 Alex Godden BA (Hons) MA Archaeologist/ Historic Data Manager Strategic Environmental Delivery Group Economy, Transport and Environment Department Hampshire County Council Tel. 01962 832338 HPSN 8 200 2338 Email: [log in to unmask] hants.gov.uk/landscape-and-heritage<http://www3.hants.gov.uk/landscape-and-heritage.html> From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lee McFarlane Sent: 04 December 2013 09:27 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: ARCHI Hi Apparently "County Archaeology Departments" subscribe to this website. So, the question is - do any of us? If not then surely the site is deliberately misleading people who use it? Data Sources The data within ARCHI has been sourced from a wide range of publications ranging from specialist books to the "mainstream" archaeological journals such as Britannia, Council for British Archaeology Reports etc. Additionally, data has been sourced from archaeological surveys published by various Local Historical / Archaeological Societies and Field Groups. For a list of all the journal titles represented in ARCHI click here<http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/archi/journal_popup.htm>. A small but increasing number of records are "personal communications" from field walkers. However, we only publish these findspots on our site if the finder is known to us and hence we can personally validate the source. Who uses ARCHI? ARCHI has a worldwide reach. We have had subscriptions from British and American University Archaeology / History Departments, Schools, Archaeological Societies & Clubs, County Archaeology Departments, Archaeological Consultancies, Archaeology students and Hobbyists from Australia to Mexico. Looking at some of the Durham data I would be highly surprised if it came from local journals, mainstream reports, or local archaeology societies - looks far more likely to have been lifted from our on-line database "Keys to the Past" (although I cannot of course prove that) Lee Ms. Lee McFarlane Senior Archaeology Officer Archaeology Section Heritage, Landscape & Design Regeneration & Economic Development Durham County Council County Hall 5th Floor DURHAM DH1 5UQ Direct Tel: 03000-267009 General Team Tel: 03000-267013 email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 2013 edition of "Archaeology: County Durham" is now available, along with many others, direct from the Archaeology Section (Archaeology publications for sale - Durham County Council<http://www.durham.gov.uk/Pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=7905>) www.durham.gov.uk<http://www.durham.gov.uk/> [twitter]<http://www.twitter.com/durhamcouncil>[facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/durhamcouncil> From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Iles, Peter Sent: 03 December 2013 16:43 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: ARCHI I've just had a look and used my home address for the search point - Whilst there's some obvious stuff, mined from fairly easily accessed sources (a lot of finds - from PAS?), there's also a load of rubbish there as well. Hopefully it is so poor that the M-D users ignore it ... Peter Iles Specialist Advisory Services Lancashire County Council Development Management PO Box 100 County Hall Preston PR1 0LD t.01772 531550 e. [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Wells (Archaeology) Sent: 03 December 2013 15:35 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: ARCHI Hi all, Today (having read an article in 'The Searcher' I discovered the existence of a website called ARCHI-UK. http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/ Has anyone else seen this?! Where is it getting its information? It says it used a long list of journals. To quote, "The database was initially constructed to address the lack of easily available information relating to the distrubution of archaeological sites. This was particularly evident during my time as a student of archaeology at Birkbeck College, University of London, UK." Confused! Presumably it's mainly used by metal detectorists to find where they should detect, and they pay money to subscribe. You can't see any details unless you subscribe... The mind boggles. Helen Wells Historic Environment Record Officer Leicestershire County Council Planning, Historic & Natural Environment, Leicestershire County Council, County Hall, Glenfield, Leics, LE3 8RA Telephone: 0116 3058323 / E-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any reading, printing, storage, disclosure, copying or any other action taken in respect of this e-mail is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by using the reply function and then permanently delete what you have received. 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