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Hello all, I've been dipping in and out of reading these all week and can't agree more regarding the pay of teachers. From experience of teaching in the public sector, I find it really quite appalling of what the expectations are of ESOL (not to mention mainstream) teachers. When I started community ESOL teaching all those years ago the access to resources was much more to hand, management systems and funding streams presented so much more simply and to compare to what I see nowadays, really does fall off the scale (this may only be my experience). To capture a teaching session that would last for, let's say an hour ... how much preparation time would be invested? How much follow up time is required for that one session in order to lead into the next session plan - then multiplied by x across different needs of an ESOL department. To say that a teacher delivers 25 hours a week, in my view, to include meeting time, preparation time, collegiate sharing of ideas with peers and dealing with resource availability does not equate to a 37 hour week, but much more. Not to mention professional and specialist expertise expected - knowledge of the language system, methodology, pastoral care and cultural sensitivity (actually much, much more) I don’t know what other teacher stories are and whether teacher experiences can be captured in any current research or if any of the forum have ideas, but I have seen the results of 'the squeeze applied' which, essentially has lasting implications. Angela Keenan | Director of Qualification Design and Assessment| Learning Resource Network| London| e-mail: [log in to unmask] Tel: +44 870 625 8408 Fax: +44 207 681 1327 url: www.lrnglobal.org | · Like our Facebook page and follow us on Twitter · Subscribe to our YouTube channel Help save paper - do you need to print this e-mail? If you are not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication and its attachments in error, please return the original message and attachments to the sender using the reply facility on e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cooke, Melanie Sent: 04 December 2013 07:38 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: ESOL tutor vacancy Dear Sally, All, I think this forum is absolutely the correct place to bring up the issue of pay in the ESOL sector, especially the day after members of UCU (FE and HE sections), Unison and Unite took strike action across the UK against national pay offers which have taken those of us working in the public education sector way below the rate of inflation. The protest was also about rampant casualization in the post-16 sector and the increasing privatisation of universities and colleges. It certainly does not help the race to the bottom for education workers when charities/NGOs and private training organisations offer such drastically low pay. I would think that when you take preparation into account, as well as all the other unrecognised activities which go with teaching, 28 hours a week at this salary would take someone below the minimum wage. And the last time I was in West Yorkshire (last September) it wasn't THAT cheap. Interested to know others' take on this - and to hear from QED about their rationale? V best, Mel. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Melanie Cooke Room 4.12 Department of Education and Professional Studies King's College, London Franklin Wilkins Building Waterloo Road London SE1 9NH Tel: 020 7848 3122 [log in to unmask] http://www.kcl.ac.uk/schools/sspp/education/staff/mcooke.html ________________________________________ From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Sally Doman <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 03 December 2013 22:56 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: ESOL tutor vacancy I have just read this advert for a full-time, experienced tutor, who preferably has a post-graduate qualification, and am shocked that the salary is only £14,560 per annum. After a quick Google search, I found this BBC article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20442666, which states that the average salary in the UK last year was £26,500. Although the organisation placing this advert no doubt does extremely valuable work, and may well be under financial strain, offering a wage that is almost £12,000 below the national average can surely only lead to the further deprofessionalisation of ESOL teaching. As well as that, unless the cost of living is much, much cheaper in West Yorkshire than it is where I live, I think it would be quite hard to survive on that wage if you had no other income. Hope this post is not too controversial... what are your thoughts? *********************************** ESOL-Research is a forum for researchers and practitioners with an interest in research into teaching and learning ESOL. ESOL-Research is managed by James Simpson at the Centre for Language Education Research, School of Education, University of Leeds. 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