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I was thinking more about this point – if we don’t differentiate between teaching and non-teaching hours and base it on straight hours per week, the £14,560 for 24 hours a week works out at almost the same (give or take a few pence) as a starting salary for a lecturer in a college. (c. £11 per hour). This is, of course, excluding the holiday allowances given by college roles and the potential for moving up the salary scale up to a maximum of around £31,000 (which, if you were wondering, is £16 an hour).

 

Things are different and much tighter for small charitable and private training providers for whom overheads are likely to be much higher, and a whole range of other factors. But I agree with Rachel that £7,280 for six months work is pretty harsh if the admin requirement means you can’t then go on and top it up with other work elsewhere.  

 

I hope that the original poster is feeling a little vindicated at this point, although much of this would have been avoided had the definitions of the salary and the hours required been clearer in the first place! Given the cuts in funding, no reduction in reliance on hourly paid staff (who so often do a brilliant job) and continued threats to permanent posts within ESOL in the last few years it is no surprise that passions have been raised here about this subject.

 

From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rachel Stubley
Sent: 06 December 2013 10:25
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Subject: Re: Tutor vacancy

 

Sorry, £22 an hour!


From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Rachel Stubley [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 06 December 2013 10:24
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Subject: Re: Tutor vacancy

Using Sam's calculation of £22 an hour, based purely on teaching hours, is low for a qualified tutor, but some may want to apply and even see it as competitive, as Mohammed suggests.

However, if I were applying, I'd want to be very clear on what I was expected to do in the 11.5 hours of "other" duties. What are these, beyond my personal admin, prep and marking time and the odd meeting? If I'm expected to be on-site undertaking a raft of admin and other duties, the hourly rate will plummet, and I certainly can't fill the pay gap by doing other hourly paid work for other institutions.

Rachel

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From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Sam Shepherd [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 05 December 2013 15:08
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Subject: Re: Tutor vacancy

£14,560 per year based on a contact time of 12.5 hours a week (i.e. 650 hours a year) gives you an hourly rate of £22 - a few pence less than Shipley College, just up the road, are currently offering for an hourly paid role, and which seems to be about the standard rate. The advantage of being hourly paid (there aren't many!) is that, of course, once you do your teaching, you're done, and have the flexibility to pick up hours elsewhere. I'm not sure that would be entirely possible in this case. By way of comparison it's about £3 an hour less than an initial lecturer's salary, (£21000). These roles do usually come with 40+ hours holiday and a pension attached, however...

With the paucity of jobs going at the moment you see a lot more requiring PGCE & subject specialism as a requirement even at the bottom end of the scale. However, anyone in West Yorkshire looking at this post but willing to relocate might want to consider this post at £21,000: http://www.fejobs.com/Job.aspx?VacNo=504931&Page=1 for which just GCSEs would suffice...

I think that this particular discussion has highlighted the main concern for ESOL tutors when it comes to work - the traditional route for teachers has been through hourly paid work building up to fractional then eventually getting full time roles, and now, for newer, younger teachers especially, it is getting increasingly hard to make even the initial jump from hourly paid to fractional. The reliance on hourly paid staff is to the detriment not just of the teachers (who at least have the freedom to jump ship with two weeks' notice) but also to their employers, who often invest training time and money in their regular part timers, only for all that time and money be capitalised on by institutions who are able to offer full time posts. This is not to mention the effect on their learners who may have had access to a regular tutor for a large chunk of the course who then suddenly have this removed from them.

It's never been easy finding full time work in ESOL, as we all know, and most employers of fractional tutors are accepting of the fact that these tutors might be working elsewhere at the same time. I assume, of course, that this is the case here.

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