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I know about Lowell and Williams, and Lowell has written appreciatively on him. What I meant by ’truck with’ is evident influence, which I sense in Day by Day whether it’s to your taste or not.
 
Interested to hear Berryman and Williams were friends, but I still see little connection between them.
 
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Lowell always acknowledged Williams' influence, certainly from when he was writing Lord Weary's Castle onwards, and Berryman and Williams were friends.
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Happy to avoid any further taxonomic excursions - not my forte even closer to home. But more or less we both seem to understand why modernismo isn’t modernism. No harm in briefly pointing out the difference, as the Hispanist John Butt has written a whole book dedicated to unravelling it (which unfortunately I haven’t yet read).
 
Fine with the two lines of descent. I don’t think Bishop and Berryman have much truck with Williams, nor Lowell for that matter until perhaps Day by Day. Not my favourite book but it has some good poems in it.
 
 
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Vanguardismo  is the overarching term, and as I said has little to do with what we call avant garde. But no ;point arguing the fine points of hispanophone taxonomy. The accident of history I refer to is the use of the same term to mean two different things.

Housebreaking in the sense of training the dog not to shit on the carpet.

Two lines claiming descent from the first generation modernists. The Lowells etc took what they needed but lost the essentials. Which is fine, if it produces good poetry. For me at least it's pretty weak tea. The effort was to craft an acceptable, mannerly modernism. Their take on Williams, for instance, is unrecognizable to me as Williams.
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