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Alison I am quite sure it is not you to be snide about anyone. That was one of the reasons why I was so bewildered by your post. I still don't understand why you posted, don't understand at all, but my delayed reaction was not only about your post but the follow ups to it which were not by you. I can not only be impatient but also an idiot a complete prick a fool and sometimes wise kind compassionate and even funny. In that farrago I am probably like the rest of our peculiar species however being in possession of an accent-possessed gob that makes much of the world want to fall over in derision I tend to make noise in self-defense. I suspect other accents do the same to people, even in warmer climates. I have these days a clutch of Anglo-Scandinavian friends, but if I ever sought out a Swedish film for its humour I suspect that might be the day the men in the white coats should be summoned (without any pills thank you). I don't need cheering up, I am happy most of the time, apart from say when i wake up at 3 in the morning silently screening. I joke, I chuckle, I wheeze with emphysema but one of the best things of all that has happened to me of late is no longer having to deal even at arms length with awful local literati. I still write and my laughter lines continue. I haven't had a ciggy in five years and am even remembering how to cook. And can definitely enjoy both Heaney and Prynne :) On 19 December 2013 23:46, Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Good grief. The last thing I want is to be embroiled in the tedious to and > fro of a non-argument. Please carry on with the interesting bits. > > But to clarify, since I seem to have upset so many people, and now stand > accused of bullying: I wasn't implying, or in the least intending to imply, > that anyone had a mental illness. The last thing I would ever do, as you > should know quite well, David, is be snide about ANYONE who suffers such a > devastating infliction. Yes, it was a response to the petty resentment and > self pity that characterises a portion of the discussion here. Not all of > it, by any means, but there is often a sour miasma of it that causes me a > certain personal depression about the whole culture of poetry. Nor is it > confined to this list. I'm not talking about disagreement, which I think is > necessary and interesting. And no, I'm not pointing at anyone in > particular, not even Sean. although I was taken aback (to say the least) > when he compared being marginalised as a poet with the suffering under > Apartheid. Although I don't doubt Sean's feelings of isolation, and > understand how difficult that can be, and even understand the humiliations > attendant on continuous poverty, the comparison was insensitive and absurd. > > Not a wise response, I freely admit, just an impatient one. The quote, if > you actually read it, is about a link between unhappiness and ungenerosity. > It's also quite funny, in a Beckettian sort of way, like the rest of the > film. > > Perhaps you should hunt down the film and watch it. It might cheer you up. > > xA > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:21 AM, David Bircumshaw < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Jeremy wrote "so strange and winding, perhaps, that Powell and >> Pressburger can end up alongside Larkin??) " >> >> I suspect that the creators of Peeping Tom (1960) had an affinity to the >> poet in the (metaphorical) long drab mac and aficionado of those >> interesting shops off Euston Rd that Kingsley showed him. >> >> I might emphasise that I mentioned Robin might wake up about PH. I think >> the key point was that each of his involvements were different, very >> different. >> >> We still have the long distant heirs of PL active here in L, as well as >> their bizarre pseudo-left distorted images. I thank the non-existent whose >> unbirthday it shall soon be that I have been able to extricate myself from >> it. >> >> >> >> >> On 19 December 2013 23:05, Jeremy F Green <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >>> >>> I feel odd tacking anything onto the long series of posts on Hobsbaum >>> and other matters, but I did want to say thanks – esp. to Jamie and Robin – >>> for all the information and pointers and opinions (I look to this list, >>> quixotically perhaps, for alleviation of my ignorance and interruption of >>> dogmatic slumbers). And perhaps thanks too – to all – for the reminder >>> that the paths out of or away from modernism are many, various, and winding >>> (so strange and winding, perhaps, that Powell and Pressburger can end up >>> alongside Larkin??) >>> >>> Best, >>> Jeremy >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Joseph Bircumshaw >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com >> > > > > -- > ___________________________________________ > > Alison Croggon > ABC Arts Online Performance Critic > Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com > > -- David Joseph Bircumshaw Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com