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I have not yet thrown in that I did not really point out the cost of creating and keeping copies to my friend. Why this idea that a copy is somehow easier to keep than the original rather than actually having an additional creation stage prior to its curation? Elizabeth Elizabeth Oxborrow-Cowan Msc, MIC, RMARA Consultant Archivist and Director Elizabeth Oxborrow-Cowan Associates 01939 234289/ 07719 609894 [log in to unmask] On 06/12/2013 14:17, "Meic Pierce Owen" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >And for electronic, the metadata and system logs will do the same... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of GRAHAM Susan >Sent: 06 December 2013 14:16 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: The most basic of Friday afternoon questions > >The original document can provide evidence of authenticity that a copy >cannot through analysis of things such as inks, materials and >handwriting styles. > >Also, the physical materials and make up of the original are an >information resource as well. For example, binding materials and >techniques are the subject of study in themselves. >Best wishes > >Susan Graham > > >-- >The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Oakman Phil >Sent: 06 December 2013 14:05 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: The most basic of Friday afternoon questions > >I think that Andrew has highlighted a difficulty in any discussion on >the validity of originals. We should be interested in the information >and contextual pointers for any document but even we as archivists are >enamoured with the idea of "the original document as an artefact". What >are we preserving for future researchers? Is it the information or is >it the packaging it comes in, although obviously the method of >production of the information (Paper, parchment, electronic, etc) will >provide important contextual metadata it is not the core evidence. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Payne, Andrew >Sent: 06 December 2013 13:54 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: The most basic of Friday afternoon questions > >I would suggest a simple experiment as follows: > > >1. Select a suitably impressive document - something that has major >local or national historical significance or, if possible, one that >would have deep personal resonance for him (even a personal family >document). A holograph would be particularly good but it's not >essential. > > >2. Transcribe said document into a suitably boring typeface e.g. >Arial 10 point, and print on to A4 paper or display as a Word document >on screen (preferably with all the paraphernalia of menus etc) > > > >3. Keep the original out of sight, but in a conveniently located box >(maybe with a cover and tied up in archival tape etc to add to the >theatre). > > > >4. Invite your sceptical friend in and say you wish to show them a >document that you think they will find interesting. > > > >5. Reveal the transcript on screen or paper and discuss the >significance of the document with them to engage them with the >"information" which the document holds. > > > >6. Once they are suitably engaged, dramatically reveal the original >with plenty of theatre to help build their anticipation. > > > >7. Present them with the original, allow them to handle it if >possible, and stand back to monitor reaction. > > > >8. If he can genuinely say he is has no response to the original >document as an artefact (as opposed to simply a piece of "information") >then check his pulse and breathing for signs of human life. > > >Good luck! > >Andrew >Andrew Payne >Head of Education & Outreach >The National Archives >Tel: +44 (0)20 8392 5319 >Email: [log in to unmask] >Web: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk >See our new document bundle about Attlee's Britain >www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/topics/attlees-britain.htm > >From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >Oxborrow-Cowan >Sent: 06 December 2013 13:02 >To: JISCMAIL Archives >Subject: The most basic of Friday afternoon questions > >Dear Colleagues > >I have utterly failed my profession. Over a rather good bottle of red >last Friday night I could not convince a friend of the importance of the >original document (even though I have countered this several times for >clients). He simply could not see why you could not just have copies >and I was unable to find what to him was the killer argument. I thought >this was an interesting fact as it perhaps displayed how the general >public fail to understand why archives matter whilst all the time >benefitting from their presence. My friend is very intelligent and >certainly no cultural barbarian. So, I thought I would lay this one >before my esteemed colleagues. I also thought that it might provide >some of you with useful ideas for when it is your Chief Executive rather >than a slightly tipsy chum throwing this one at you. > >I look forward to all your comments, which I will then collate and pass >on to said friend and see if I can change his mind. 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