On 11/12/2013 09:49, Morgan Leigh wrote: Some practitioners are pretty sniffy about initiations which don't involve an actual meeting - I've been involved with both - it's especially common with a group I associate with called AMOOKOS which is very scattered and where meetups with the appropriate person can be tricky - in some ways a cyber space version is perhaps part way between the two - as at least the various parties are actually there at same moment - having worked with you on SL I can confirm I felt the initiation i had there was very real - it creats a strong throughtform in one's mind - and gets replayed in one's dreams in a v lucid way - I didn't do much so suspect the effect might get weaker with repeat sessions? I believe that the embedding of the appropriate "astral temple" is an important part of magick - it's the "theatre of memory" kind of thing or the imaginarium - I found virtual rehearsal aids the whole process. Perhaps it's comparable to reading something like an ancient Egyptian book of the otherworld - picture books that prepare the soon to be deceased for the actual journey? "senebty" Mogg > Greetings, > You raise an interesting question mogg. Are the astral and the virtual > the same? Some say the astral is the space of our imaginations, which > might tend to suggest that these two could be the same. However others > say that the astral is another plane that we can access, which might > suggest the opposite. I'd be very interested to hear what people think > the astral is and how it compares to the virtual... > > Regards, > > Morgan Leigh > PhD Candidate > School of Social Sciences > University of Tasmania > > > >