Hi,

I had a different perception of what Maarten replied to me when I asked about the test queues which we have repeatedly used in the past 2-3 years for different sorts of migrations (cvmfs, EMI-2 and SL6/EMI-3)

The concept of test queues is valid in some cases, but not all cases historically.

the reason this didn't work is because some experiments (Maarten mentioned also LHCb) are against permanent tests queues because they think they don't need them. He added the test queues are a valuable tool that we should use where available (atlas for example) and try to get other experiments to use them if conditions have changed.

cheers
alessandra

On 05/11/2013 17:06, Jeremy Coles wrote:

Dear All, Minutes (thanks Sam) from today's meeting are now available on the agenda page with this direct link: https://indico.cern.ch/getFile.py/access?resId=0&materialId=minutes&confId=281944. Please let me know of anything that needs correcting/adding or updating. For the middleware readiness work please note these two links. 1) The task force twiki page: https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LCG/MiddlewareReadinessVerification. 2) The CHEP poster: https://indico.cern.ch/getFile.py/access?contribId=473&sessionId=9&resId=0&materialId=slides&confId=214784. regards, Jeremy On 5 Nov 2013, at 10:11, J Coles wrote:

Dear All, A reminder of today's meeting at 11am. As we may not have time to fully review the tickets this week, please take a look through the list (https://www.gridpp.ac.uk/wiki/Operations_Bulletin_Latest) ahead of the meeting in case you would like something discussed. If you have a moment please also review the middleware support/proposal talks. For minutes the order is: Mark=6 Chris=7 Alessandra=7 Rob=7 Ewan=7 Brian=7 Duncan=7 Andrew=7 Sam=7. regards, Jeremy Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeremy Coles <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Ops meeting - Tuesday 5th November @ 11am Date: 4 November 2013 15:18:54 GMT To: <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes <[log in to unmask]> Dear All, The agenda for this Tuesday's ops meeting is at http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=281944. I remind you that we will be discussing the WLCG middleware verification task with Maarten Litmaath. Before the discussion I would encourage you to look at the two presentations linked from the agenda but particularly the proposal from the July WLCG management board meeting: http://indico.cern.ch/materialDisplay.py?contribId=3&materialId=slides&confId=217952. The purpose of the discussion is to clarify aspects of the proposal and highlight concerns/issues that you as sysadmins have in this area. If you have suggestions for alternative approaches or steps in the current proposal then it would be helpful if you prepare a slide in advance of the meeting to help guide the discussion (please send these to me for upload) - thank you. Time permitting we will return to the bulletin updates after the discussion. The monthly ticket round-up will take place next Tuesday 12th November. regards, Jeremy