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This is technically true, but the distinction is tiny in practice - CC-by licences are very permissive and the economic value of the rights which are retained by the copyright holder is minimal. (NB this is not true of any of the other CC licences, all of which have substantial strings attached). The only thing the rights holder could still potentially do for a CC-by-licensed work is to charge for the right to reproduce the work without attribution. Oli From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Snell-Pym Sent: 12 November 2013 10:53 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] freelance science communicators wanted But you don't need to sign them away for the work to be used under that licence. Signing away implies that you are giving the company the rights and then they release it under the CC - so it really depends on what they meant in the first place. Sarah On 12 Nov 2013, at 10:11, Usher, Oli wrote: Signing away intellectual property rights so things can be released under Creative Commons licences is rather different to signing away intellectual property rights so they can be exploited commercially without giving compensation, isn't it? It's also the basis of the Open Access model for scholarly publications, not to mention free/open source software, citizen science and Wiki projects, which I imagine a lot of people on this list are supportive of. Oli From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Francis Sedgemore Sent: 11 November 2013 17:24 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] freelance science communicators wanted If a "standard assignment" is a short news piece of no more than a couple of hundred words, with little or no research input, then £60 might be acceptable. I am talking about NUJ recommended rates for the job. Think of it in terms of an hourly equivalent rate. What is your time worth as a specialist writer? As for copyright, this is a concern, and the NUJ position is that freelance writers should not sign away their intellectual property rights. On the other hand, does an old news briefing have any resale value? Let's not jump to conclusions, but instead wait for clarification from the publisher. Francis On 11 Nov 13, at 17:11, Paul G Raven <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Good points, Tony. (Although, speaking from personal experience, anyone willing to contemplate £60 flat-fee writing gigs is probably so accustomed to signing over all their rights to the work that they'd not even blink at being asked to do so. 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