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We've just come across two table tombs that this happened to - and they are still Listed! Not for much longer as Minor Amendments are on the case... Then, as Crispin says, they will remain as monuments (site of) and we'll remove the designation record. Chris Webster Historic Environment Record Somerset County Council Somerset Heritage Centre Brunel Way Taunton TA2 6SF 01823 347434 Online HER: www.somerset.gov.uk/her ________________________________ From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Crispin Flower Sent: 28 November 2013 11:49 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Listed Buildings that Never Were It's another case of the difference between "Listed Buildings" and "buildings that are Listed", or in this case "ex-buildings...". The Designation records in HBSMR are supposed to record the legal entities, regardless of real world actualities. So I'd say yes there should be records for the Listings, but with Notes about the real situation, and linkage to the monument records that describe and interpret the ex-buildings, flagged as destroyed etc. Atb Crispin From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Winfield, Hugh Sent: 28 November 2013 11:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Listed Buildings that Never Were Dear All, I was wondering how people deal with Listed Buildings in their HER where the building/structure was demolished between survey and the actual listing - obviously a monument record should be created (or the details added to an existing monument) but do you have a record in the Designations area of the database? We have 7 structures, six of which form a group, which were surveyed in 1995/6 but the listing didn't come through until 1999 by which time they had been demolished meaning that they were de-listed again within months. I do believe in having a "revoked" record with DL as the grade within the designations part of HBSMR for buildings that were de-listed following fire, inappropriate but authorised alterations etc, but think that our figures are skewed by the 7 entries that were never really listed. Cheers, Hugh Hugh Winfield | Archaeologist | North East Lincolnshire Regeneration Partnership | Origin 1, Europarc, Grimsby, DN37 9TZ W 01472323586 | M 07825125964 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ P Reduce your environmental footprint, please do not print this email unless you really need to. This electronic message contains information from North East Lincolnshire Council which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please telephone or email the number(s) or address above immediately. Activity and use of the North East Lincolnshire email system is monitored to secure its effective operation and for other lawful business purposes. Communications using this system will also be monitored and may be recorded to secure effective operation and for other lawful business purposes. Scanned by Anti Virus Software This email, and any attachments is intended solely for the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain personal and / or sensitive material and should be handled according to the principles of the Data Protection Act 1998. If this email carries a protective marking of PROTECT or RESTRICTED in the header it should be handled according to HMG guidelines, if not protectively marked it can be regarded as UNCLASSIFIED. If this Email has been misdirected, please notify the author immediately. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on any of the information contained in it or attached, and all copies must be deleted immediately. Whilst we take reasonable steps to try to identify any software viruses, any attachments to this email may nevertheless contain viruses which our anti-virus software has failed to identify. You should therefore carry out your own anti-virus checks before opening any documents. Somerset County Council will not accept any liability for damage caused by computer viruses emanating from any attachment or other document supplied with this email. All GCSx traffic may be subject to recording and / or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation.