Hi Folks
This is no doubt a really stupid question. Do coastal counties have a portion of the Ocean ascribed to their area of interest and if
so how is this area delimited (did I just make that word up?). I recall discussions over wrecks at sea etc. coming up before, but never questioned how this worked in terms of “area of interest” relating to offshore “monuments”. Staffordshire for instance has
its obvious boundaries with Derbyshire, Shropshire etc. and therefore has no remit to record stuff in a neighbouring area. Do coastal counties have a piece of the sea that is regarded as theirs administratively speaking. Is it up to 10 miles out 20, 30?
No trick questions involved, just curiosity?
Cheers - Andrew
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Hi Sophie
There’s no absolute right or wrong here, as either way this is “monument” record positioned in the sea, indexed with its aircraft type. The HBSMR
Record Type field does not correspond directly to a MIDAS unit of information, and instead is used for various practical purposes within your system. Therefore it’s worth just thinking about what difference it might make. First, you probably have your HBSMR
configured to show the Maritime tab for records assigned the record type of maritime. So if you want to enter data in any of the fields on that tab, you need to set the record type as maritime. But for an aircraft wreck you probably do not.
The other thing you might do with this attribute is use it to draw the GIS feature with a different symbol or colour. For example, some HERs have
their maritime records appearing as little shipwreck symbols on the map, in which case maybe this would be misleading for a downed aircraft.
Thirdly, this attribute is often useful in quick high-level filtering of records.
Finally, it can be used (but rarely is in practice) for conditioning output on reports, browser form, Heritage Gateway etc, where different output
is required for different sub-types of monument records. E.g. for Maritime record type it will have more stuff appearing on reports and in the browser.
Overall, given how different aircraft wrecks are from all other records, my personal verdict might be to give them their own record type, so irrespective
of whether the aircraft came down in sea or on land, it would have the same record type, which could be used to differentiate these records in all the above ways.
All the best
Crispin
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Most of ours are WW2 drones, flown out to sea over an anti-aircraft training facility, though we do have a few others. All are entered as maritime
sites because, as Val notes, they come under marine planning legislation. The monument type is catalogued by aircraft type.
With our shipwrecks they are split in the monument type between ‘Wreck’, implying physical remains, and ‘Maritime Casualty’ where we just have a
documentary record. In the case of the aircraft, because the monument type tends to be the aircraft type, the information as to whether it is an actual wreck or a recorded loss will be differentiated in the evidence field (and if it is a real wreck it will
have a discovery polygon around it on the GIS, whereas the documented sites are only depicted as points.
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Hi All
I wondered what other HER’s do when they are recording an aircraft crash site in the sea? Do you put it as a maritime record type or a monument record type?
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