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Hi Sophie There's no absolute right or wrong here, as either way this is "monument" record positioned in the sea, indexed with its aircraft type. The HBSMR Record Type field does not correspond directly to a MIDAS unit of information, and instead is used for various practical purposes within your system. Therefore it's worth just thinking about what difference it might make. First, you probably have your HBSMR configured to show the Maritime tab for records assigned the record type of maritime. So if you want to enter data in any of the fields on that tab, you need to set the record type as maritime. But for an aircraft wreck you probably do not. The other thing you might do with this attribute is use it to draw the GIS feature with a different symbol or colour. For example, some HERs have their maritime records appearing as little shipwreck symbols on the map, in which case maybe this would be misleading for a downed aircraft. Thirdly, this attribute is often useful in quick high-level filtering of records. Finally, it can be used (but rarely is in practice) for conditioning output on reports, browser form, Heritage Gateway etc, where different output is required for different sub-types of monument records. E.g. for Maritime record type it will have more stuff appearing on reports and in the browser. Overall, given how different aircraft wrecks are from all other records, my personal verdict might be to give them their own record type, so irrespective of whether the aircraft came down in sea or on land, it would have the same record type, which could be used to differentiate these records in all the above ways. All the best Crispin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Crispin Flower exeGesIS SDM Ltd. 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However, the recipient of this message will need to scan this message, and any attachments, for viruses, as exeGesIS SDM Ltd can take no responsibility for any computer virus that might be transferred by this email. Registered in England and Wales : Great House Barn, New Street, Talgarth, Brecon, Powys, LD3 0AH Company Number : 3743089 VAT number : 73647312 From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Andrew Sent: 27 November 2013 17:21 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Aircraft crash sites in the sea Most of ours are WW2 drones, flown out to sea over an anti-aircraft training facility, though we do have a few others. All are entered as maritime sites because, as Val notes, they come under marine planning legislation. The monument type is catalogued by aircraft type. With our shipwrecks they are split in the monument type between 'Wreck', implying physical remains, and 'Maritime Casualty' where we just have a documentary record. In the case of the aircraft, because the monument type tends to be the aircraft type, the information as to whether it is an actual wreck or a recorded loss will be differentiated in the evidence field (and if it is a real wreck it will have a discovery polygon around it on the GIS, whereas the documented sites are only depicted as points. Andy. Andrew Nicholson Historic Environment Record Officer Dumfries and Galloway Council Planning and Environment (Archaeology) Militia House, English Street Dumfries, DG1 2HR Tel: (pending) (int. 60186) | Fax: 01387 260111 + <mailto:[log in to unmask]> .Drop Point 207 http://www.historicchurchyards.co.uk/ - a new resource on historic graveyards in Dumfries and Galloway http://www.futuremuseum.co.uk/collections/people/lives-in-key-periods/archaeology.aspx - newly launched website showcasing the best finds from the region ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Any email message sent or received by the Council may require to be disclosed by the Council under the provisions of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ P SAVE PAPER - Please do not print this e-mail unless absolutely necessary From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sophie Unger Sent: 26 November 2013 11:45 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Aircraft crash sites in the sea Hi All I wondered what other HER's do when they are recording an aircraft crash site in the sea? Do you put it as a maritime record type or a monument record type? The East Sussex records are currently on Maritime which isn't incorrect but somehow doesn't sit right with me so thought I would see what the majority do. Best wishes Sophie Sophie Unger MA AIFA Historic Environment Record Officer Environmental Advice Team East Sussex County Council 01273 336378 07554436473 This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you have received it in error please notify the sender and destroy it. You may not use it or copy it to anyone else. E-mail is not a secure communications medium. Please be aware of this when replying. All communications sent to or from the County Council may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. 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