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One thing at least you could salvage from the situation is to highlight your profile a bit i.e. involve your Archives and Records Management Depts. in managing and disposing of your information, or this is an example of the potential consequences. Steven Davies Archivist / Archifydd Flintshire Record Office / Archifdy Sir y Fflint Tel./Ffôn: (01244) 532414 Ania Skarzynska <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: "Archivists, conservators and records managers." <[log in to unmask]> 18/11/2013 16:32 Please respond to Ania Skarzynska <[log in to unmask]> To [log in to unmask] cc Fax to Subject Re: "Stray" Item for Sale on Etsy - what can we do? As far as I understand once something is thrown into a skip, it belongs to the skip owner. It is illegal to take things from a skip without permission. Ania Skar¿yñska Archifyddes / Archivist Archifdy Ceredigion Archives From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Davenport, Jackie Sent: 18 November 2013 16:27 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: "Stray" Item for Sale on Etsy - what can we do? The vendor bought it on an internet auction from a man who bought it on another internet auction. What we don?t know is whether the person who first sold it on stole it or, as Ed points out below, found it in a skip. And what I?d be interested to know is whether finding it in a skip equates to theft under Scottish law. It?s probably all academic anyway as the vendor lives abroad. Jackie Davenport, Archives Officer Argyll and Bute Council 01546 604774 [log in to unmask] www.argyll-bute.gov.uk Realising our potential together From: Archivists, conservators and records managers. [ mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steven Davies Sent: 18 November 2013 16:14 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: "Stray" Item for Sale on Etsy - what can we do? Challenging doesn't equate to an accusation of theft or malpractice against the current owner. There is always the right to challenge, albeit it may end up an unsuccessful challenge because of the reasons Ed suggests. A challenge is worth a try, with appropriate legal advice. The current owner 'buying the book in good faith' shouldn't affect things. For example if my car was nicked and the police later tracked it down, whoever has ended up owning my car would not be allowed to keep it just because they had bought it from the person who stole it 'in good faith'. I'd want it back, thanks very much. Steven Davies Archivist / Archifydd Flintshire Record Office / Archifdy Sir y Fflint Tel./Ffôn: (01244) 532414 "Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC" <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: "Archivists, conservators and records managers." < [log in to unmask]> 18/11/2013 15:57 Please respond to [log in to unmask] To [log in to unmask] cc Fax to Subject Re: "Stray" Item for Sale on Etsy - what can we do? It may be the town surplused it or just had tossed it in the trash and some one took it home. Three may be no right to challenge the right of ownership on it. Cities have done stupid things like this before.. toss stuff out and then say..."oh boo hoo! what right does the person that salvaged it have to it!?" Now.... if some city or town employee stole it... yep get the shackles out! and... we know this sort of thing happens too. Just sayin'.... be real sure before you start lining the lawyers up let you get slapped for doing it. Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC In a message dated 11/18/2013 8:07:21 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Hi all, It appears that the Helensburgh Town Hall visitors? book is for sale on Etsy. This includes Royal signatures. I have no idea how this came to be in private hands. 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