Tempting, but univerbation could also account for (1) - (2): (1) Where's my books? (2) Where's my mum and dad? Marc On 27/10/2013 21:29, Paul Johnston wrote: > If we're talking Robert Burns here, aren't we running into the > Northern Subject Rule, which states that you have present tense verbs > take the -s suffix unless immediately proceeded by a personal pronoun, > existential construction or not? > > Paul Johnston > > > On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Marc FRYD <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >> Before this gets too cold, may I say that there is "there's", but >> there is also "there was", isn't there? >> e.g. There was three kings into the east (/John Barleycorn/, Robert >> Burns). >> >> Marc >> >> On 27/10/2013 16:34, Paul Hopper wrote: >>> So, an emergent existential... >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>>> Yes, as I said, univerbation. >>>> Peter >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Variationist List [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Troike, >>>> Rudolph C - (rtroike) [[log in to unmask]] >>>> Sent: 27 October 2013 04:57 >>>> To:[log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: Is vs. are research >>>> >>>> Howdy, >>>> >>>> Uri, the awareness is interesting, probably showing the traumatic >>>> effects of prescriptive schooling. >>>> Even President George H. W. Bush used "there's people" in non-formal >>>> speaking. It is interesting >>>> that in languages like Spanish ('hay'), Turkish ('var'), and Chinese >>>> ('you') there is a single word >>>> used to express the existential assertion. Probably English, left alone by >>>> teachers and editors, would >>>> eventuate in a single form 'theres'. >>>> >>>> --Rudy >>>> >>>> Rudy Troike >>>> University of Arizona >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> From: Uri Horesh [[log in to unmask]] >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:12 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Is vs. are research? >>>> >>>> Even though I am, admittedly, kinda tired of this thread, I felt an urge >>>> to add the following anecdote that just appeared on my Twitter feed: >>>> >>>> @quixoticblazes: Just just overheard, re: restaurants in Chelsea: "God, >>>> there's [sic] people everywhere." (Gurl, you must be from out of town.) >>>> >>>> Quick & dirty analysis: Even though the writer himself doesn't shy way >>>> from non-standardisms (e.g., "Just just," "Gurl"), he made a point to >>>> indicate that there was something out of the ordinary with "there's >>>> people" by interjecting a "[sic]" between those two words. >>>> >>>> I'll say no more. >>>> >>>> Uri >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ######################################################################## >>>> >>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist >>>> sociolinguistics. >>>> >>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: >>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1 >>>> >>>> ######################################################################## >>>> >>>> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist >>>> sociolinguistics. >>>> >>>> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: >>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1 >>>> >> >> >> -- >> *Dr. Marc FRYD (HDR) * >> http://ll.univ-poitiers.fr/etudes-anglophones/spip.php?article121&lang=fr >> >> >> Faculté des Lettres et des Langues >> Université de Poitiers >> 1 rue Raymond Cantel >> 86022, Poitiers, France >> >> Tel. [33](0)5 49 45 48 11 >> Mob. [33](0)6 40 31 21 43 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to >> variationist sociolinguistics. >> >> To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: >> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> >> To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1 >> > -- *Dr. Marc FRYD (HDR) * http://ll.univ-poitiers.fr/etudes-anglophones/spip.php?article121&lang=fr Faculté des Lettres et des Langues Université de Poitiers 1 rue Raymond Cantel 86022, Poitiers, France Tel. [33](0)5 49 45 48 11 Mob. [33](0)6 40 31 21 43 ######################################################################## The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist sociolinguistics. To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1