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I can just say that this is totally true. When I did my diploma work (a comic) I started as a mediocre drawer. I took me half a year and some sleepless nights toget on the desired level. the more you practice the better you can locate yourselfamongst others. I found myself at a closelevel to the masters of japanese color wood cutsand loved it. It is aprocessbut the learning curve is not steady. Am 18.09.2013 16:34, schrieb Gunnar Swanson: > Martin, > > Yes and, to some extent, no. I've been known to subject my students to a distillation: For your work to be great, it has to be profoundly about you. And the most important thing to remember is that it has nothing to do with you. > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:29 AM, "Salisbury, Martin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> It takes far longer than twenty years to learn to draw. It’s a lifelong process. Teaching mathematicians and scientists to draw - now there’s an idea… > A couple of weeks ago, some of my students were talking about their belief that art and graphic design students were somehow unsuited to do math. I told them that (for whatever reason) they hadn't worked at it long enough to get good enough to get to the interesting part. That night, I was talking to my mathematician/electrical engineer sister and she mentioned something that was pretty much the flip side of my students' musings. Needless to say, I told her pretty much the flip side of what I'd told my students (after telling her about that conversation.) > > I do think it takes as long as you've got to get as good at anything as you're going to get. It takes something way short of a lifetime to get good enough at drawing to be able to start figuring out what you want to do with drawing (thus being able to define "learn to draw" to your own satisfaction.) > ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------