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Hi Jeremy I remember the 80s too and when a nurse 6 months our senior said jump we just asked how high! We had standards and were part of a team. Even the cleaner on the ward was part of the team. However not only did we have more nurses to learn form we also had a different patient. Hernia patients were in for 10 days where as now they are rushed in and out in a day. The patients who were getting ready to go home laid the table for lunch and helped out on the ward. The wards were not so busy as they are now. There was a happy atmosphere nurses enjoyed the work they were doing. They had time to speak to the patients to be taught by seniors to reflect on their own practice and leave the ward wanting to return. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: sharon naylor <[log in to unmask]> To: OCC-HEALTH <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:33 Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] NMC News on revalidation for Nurses Good point Jeremy, and one that I hadnt really considered in discussions re the demise of care/skills within the NHS > Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 00:35:10 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] NMC News on revalidation for Nurses > To: [log in to unmask] > > Hey Lindsey, like you I trained in the mid 80's, whats missing now is that most of the care in our training was given by student nurses. I remember being part of a ward team that included 3 first years, 3 second years, 2 third years and 2 or 3 staff nurses , who ran the ward. When we moved nurse training into colleges 2/3 of the workforce was removed from the acute setting and replaced with 1/3 health care assistants. We wanted to be there and suceed, it was part of our training and we had to suceed to qualify. We didn't just turn up to do a job that is not too well paid. I realise this is a simplistic view but one I believe is very relevant to the crisis in the NHS today. > > Rgds, > > Jeremy > > ******************************** > Please remove this footer before replying. > > OCC-HEALTH ARCHIVES: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html > > CONFERENCES AND STUDY DAYS: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH ********************************Please remove this footer before replying. OCC-HEALTH ARCHIVES:http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html CONFERENCES AND STUDY DAYS:http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH ******************************** Please remove this footer before replying. OCC-HEALTH ARCHIVES: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html CONFERENCES AND STUDY DAYS: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH