As one of the first cohorts of P2000 I had some interesting experiences. I did a pre-nursing course in Ireland before the sole benefit of which was a class on interview skills, touch typing classes and hands on HCA (then called nurses aide) work experience, Through the work placement I got a part time job in the same role alternating working in a very old style long stay gerontology hospital (damp dust on a Tues, dry on a Thursday, leave the ward when Dr came once a week. I was called "junior" by the Sister (a nun) and wasn't allowed speak directly to her) and in a very progressive cancer hospice in the same grounds.
When I got to UK for my training I found that very few of my classmates had "hands on" ward experience. I found this gave me a head start on the ward placements as I was happy to get stuck in with the hands on patient care (and equipment cleaning if needed) which in turn seemed to make the qualified nurses happy to teach me. I heard many of my classmates declare "we have not been trained to make beds or wash patients" and saw many standing around the nurses station aimlessly. I strongly feel the pre-training experience I had helped make me a better more caring nurse. Unfortunately I had one old style ward sister who gave out to me for not knowing "my place" which apparently meant standing around the nurses station while patients who needed assistance waited for the busy permanent staff to get to them.
Carr
Hi******************************** Please remove this footer before replying.I also trained in the 80's and completely agree with Jeremy's comments. I believe also gave us the facility to learn from our superiors, peers and the patients. Something that could never be achieved with even the best remote academic training.Whilst I completely agree that we need to be accountable, knowledgeable and constantly learning to support effective practice, a lot appears to have been LOST not gained in the NHS service since the introduction and pursuit of a degree led profession.SamOn 8 Sep 2013, at 11:33, sharon naylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Good point Jeremy, and one that I hadnt really considered in discussions re the demise of care/skills within the NHS******************************** Please remove this footer before replying.
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> Hey Lindsey, like you I trained in the mid 80's, whats missing now is that most of the care in our training was given by student nurses. I remember being part of a ward team that included 3 first years, 3 second years, 2 third years and 2 or 3 staff nurses , who ran the ward. When we moved nurse training into colleges 2/3 of the workforce was removed from the acute setting and replaced with 1/3 health care assistants. We wanted to be there and suceed, it was part of our training and we had to suceed to qualify. We didn't just turn up to do a job that is not too well paid. I realise this is a simplistic view but one I believe is very relevant to the crisis in the NHS today.
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