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Gunnar, I would suggest Kai's argument is more about setting standards of best practice rather than setting up monopolies. There are already professional design societies in the US that promote good practice and have a register of qualified individuals. I would also suggest that it is good for clients and investors, whether purchasing graphic or industrial design services, to be able to quickly make an informed judgement about the quality of the specific services a designer is offering. Accreditation is one option. Having some evidence that a designer follows certain practice and process must be give some reassurance of capability to a client or investor and provide metrics around which to make sense of differences between one designer's quotation and another. Transparency of professional practice, for clients to know what they pay for and how to measure the effectiveness of the outcomes, must surely enhance the standing of designers rather than inhibit or restrict their ability to earn a living. best wishes George Mr George Edward Torrens Lecturer Year one tutor Loughborough Design School East Park Design School Loughborough University Loughborough Leicestershire LE11 3TU Tel. +1509 222 664 Mob. +780 196 1673 Fax. +1509 223 999 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/george-torrens/7/3b/524 ________________________________________ From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Gunnar Swanson [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 26 August 2013 13:26 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Must a designer be trained as a designer? Kai, This plan might work in Germany but it would be illegal restraint of trade in the US. I can rightly be accused of being Americentric in my attitude on this but I don't want clothing stores getting together to decide how much I have to pay for a pair of socks so I understand that clothing store owners would rightly object to graphic designers collectively deciding how much they should pay for our services. Gunnar Gunnar Swanson East Carolina University graphic design program http://www.ecu.edu/cs-cfac/soad/graphic/index.cfm [log in to unmask] Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1901 East 6th Street Greenville NC 27858 USA http://www.gunnarswanson.com [log in to unmask] +1 252 258-7006 On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Kai Reinhardt <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > George, > > "The bodies who support our section of design professions should be setting standards for others who wish to employ designers can use. Similarly, the consequences of not using accredited designers, as well as the benefits, should be more widely publicised." > > This would be so perfect especially for the graphic design market. I've already pondered about how to bring such a "seal of quality" forward but came to the conlcusion that we don't have the neccessary infrastructure in germany. > > There are already some barriers for academic graphic designers (entrance examination, test, diploma thesis, etc.) and some minor barriers for trained designers. But these barriers are not enough to prevent people from outside to try their luck in our market. Especially in Berlin there are so many people who support their job in the creative branch with another job while they erode the prices. Some of my colleagues argue that the career changers are necessary and that their talent should be the only criteria. They assume that the market will solve the problemwith untalented designers. But likeI said they are going to cross support their creative job. > > What we need is the necessary infrastructure. A good example for such an institution is the chamber of architects. Every architect must be a member of this chamber. Thechamber observes the adherence of the german architecs law. This law regulates in detail how much the single services of an architec can cost. They are allowed to impose sanctions for architects who do what they want. Ofcourse there is still enough room for competition because the service structure of a modern architecs bureau includes more than the law covers. > > As long as we are missing a designer law we can not build up an infrastructure. ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------