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Gunnar, I know that it sounds very much like a socialists pipe dreambut be ensured that I'm not a socialst (although I'm german). I would not suggest something like this if I would not experience the situation as hardly bearable. I'm pretty sure it would work not only in Germany but in whole Europe. I'm doing this for a while now. Maybe I'm getting old and less sporty. Kai Am 26.08.2013 14:26, schrieb Gunnar Swanson: > Kai, > > This plan might work in Germany but it would be illegal restraint of trade in the US. I can rightly be accused of being Americentric in my attitude on this but I don't want clothing stores getting together to decide how much I have to pay for a pair of socks so I understand that clothing store owners would rightly object to graphic designers collectively deciding how much they should pay for our services. > > > Gunnar > > Gunnar Swanson > East Carolina University > graphic design program > > http://www.ecu.edu/cs-cfac/soad/graphic/index.cfm > [log in to unmask] > > Gunnar Swanson Design Office > 1901 East 6th Street > Greenville NC 27858 > USA > > http://www.gunnarswanson.com > [log in to unmask] > +1 252 258-7006 > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Kai Reinhardt <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> George, >> >> "The bodies who support our section of design professions should be setting standards for others who wish to employ designers can use. Similarly, the consequences of not using accredited designers, as well as the benefits, should be more widely publicised." >> >> This would be so perfect especially for the graphic design market. I've already pondered about how to bring such a "seal of quality" forward but came to the conlcusion that we don't have the neccessary infrastructure in germany. >> >> There are already some barriers for academic graphic designers (entrance examination, test, diploma thesis, etc.) and some minor barriers for trained designers. But these barriers are not enough to prevent people from outside to try their luck in our market. Especially in Berlin there are so many people who support their job in the creative branch with another job while they erode the prices. Some of my colleagues argue that the career changers are necessary and that their talent should be the only criteria. They assume that the market will solve the problemwith untalented designers. But likeI said they are going to cross support their creative job. >> >> What we need is the necessary infrastructure. A good example for such an institution is the chamber of architects. Every architect must be a member of this chamber. Thechamber observes the adherence of the german architecs law. This law regulates in detail how much the single services of an architec can cost. They are allowed to impose sanctions for architects who do what they want. Ofcourse there is still enough room for competition because the service structure of a modern architecs bureau includes more than the law covers. >> >> As long as we are missing a designer law we can not build up an infrastructure. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------