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Thank you for all the helpful information! On 9 August 2013 12:23, Mark Burton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Yes, I remember this - excellent piece Jacqui. > > On 09/08/13 09:30, Jacqueline Akhurst (J.Akhurst) wrote: > > Dear all, > > In addition to Mark’s response below, I attach a piece I wrote in 2008, > commenting on the community psychologists’ statement and highlighting the > political / economic rather than altruistic nature of funding for provision > of CBT. Because of the target audience, it’s written rather politely! > > All the best, > > Jacqui > > > > *From:* The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [ > mailto:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>] > *On Behalf Of *Mark Burton > *Sent:* 08 August 2013 23:46 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Politically neutral BBC as always... > > > > Here it is again in one click rather than click-scroll-click: > http://www.compsy.org.uk/changing%20minds.pdf > I have to say the statement itself was somewhat limited - e.g. the concept > of prevention is in danger of being seen technocratically - as I saw at a > depressing 'Festival of Public Health' last month - all behavioural > interventions and social marketing and precious little of the heroic > tradition of Chadwick and others. Some of us have argued the need for a > trajectory from prevention to liberation. It was also not possible to > include information on the dubious evidence for CBT's eficacy, but Paul > Moloney's post in this conversation does this for us. > As a community psychology list we need to maintain a focus on what a > community psychological alternative looks like. > > On 08/08/13 21:48, Mark Burton wrote: > > As a network we issued a statement on CBT in 2007. You can download it > from this here: > > http://www.compsy.org.uk/Position%20statements%20and%20media%20releases.html > The link to this was broken but has been restored today so people might > have missed it. > Mark > > On 08/08/13 20:16, Jivan Mohanty wrote: > > I would agree with Martín-Baró when he says that one cannot be a > psychologist (or do psychology) 'without trying to make a contribution > toward changing all those conditions that dehumanizes the majority of the > population, alienating their consciousness and blocking the development of > their historical identity'. He continues to say that psychology should > critically question its activity and its role: 'by whom' is psychology done > and 'for what benefit' is it done. Whilst Baró was specifically referring > to Latin American psychology, I believe many of his ideas can apply here in > different ways. > > > > I believe CBT's effect is to adjust individuals to the way of the world > without problem posing their subjective experience vis-a-vis the objective > and subjective social conditions, of which one may be unemployment as a > political and economic tool or part of this particular socio-economic > system which is not natural but designed by man. It is politically > important also because it is a cheaper therapy than the alternatives, which > raises the question of why this specific cheap therapy is being put in the > vanguard of psychological assistance in the US and UK. > > > > In varying degrees depending on the therapist, I think it limits > exploration to the individuals problems, not seeing it in the context of > varying social wholes (household, local community, nation, world, etc.). > It divorces the subjective effect of being unemployed (I am feeling > useless) from the objective need (I want to uncover and challenge the myths > around unemployment for example, and employment for that matter, and want > to be actively engaged in reality, trying to transform the objective > situation in, and with, the varying social wholes). It's as if, as long as > the person doesn't feel useless, the psychologist's job is done, whereas > humans must be way more complex than that: the manifestation of feeling > useless resides itself in a whole host of interrelated basic material and > psychical needs being unfulfilled. These are probably not the aims of most > CBT practitioners, but I believe that CBT has the aforementioned effect. > > > > On 8 August 2013 18:15, Nicky Hartigan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > But surely any psychologist or CBT practitioner is working with people to > challenge the assumptions they may be making about having been made > unemployed (ie "I've lost my job therefore I am useless") and is certainly > not working to suggest that unemployment is not a problem which needs to be > addressed by the government and society? > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 8 Aug 2013, at 17:36, Jivan Mohanty <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Thank you Mike for that reference I will have a look; and I totally > agree Penny. Having experienced only 4 group-sessions (not going for the > remaining 2) of CBT around a year and a half ago I knew something was off > with its very foundations. I am struggling to figure out how to approach > the all pervasive advocacy and practice of CBT, not only in the welfare > function of my University, but peers of mine. It's so frustrating because > the people who advocate it are 'experts' and the peers who support it, > support it exactly because it is advocated by 'experts' who are > 'evidence-based', whatever that means. > > > > On 8 August 2013 15:15, pennypriest <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > But that idea, about CBT being based not on events themselves but our > interpretation of events, is precisely the very foundation of CBT. So it's > not just BBC reporting which is the problem, but CBT itself...which has > obviously been said many times. > > > > > > On 2013-08-08 14:46, Michael Walton wrote: > > Hi, > > I just read the article myself and I share your concern. I'm > especially worried by "CBT is based on the idea that problems aren't > caused by situations themselves, but by how we interpret them in our > thoughts". This sentence alone is blaming the victim, and suggests > that situational factors do not matter. If an individual were > depressed because they were unemployed, helping them to reinterpret > their job hunt could help, but it won't improve the economy, make more > jobs or remove the competition. > > Have you read much on critical health psychology? The area has some > interesting critical view points on 'mainstream' psychology. > > Mike > > On 8 Aug 2013, at 10:26, Jivan Mohanty <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/0/23590545 > > Is anyone at least in the slightest perturbed by the BBC's article above, > and general orientation towards psychology, that uncritically advocates > CBT? I don't even know who authored this article. How to even begin > combatting this one-dimensional view of therapy that is being made/has been > made hegemonic by the BBC and other news outlets? > > ___________________________________ > There is a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact > Grant [log in to unmask] > To unsubscribe or to change your details on this COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, > visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > > > ___________________________________ > There is a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post > contact Grant [log in to unmask] > To unsubscribe or to change your details on this COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > list, visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > > > ___________________________________ > There is a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact > Grant [log in to unmask] > To unsubscribe or to change your details on this COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, > visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > > > > ___________________________________ There is a twitter feed: > http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact Grant > [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe or to change your details on this > COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > > ___________________________________ There is a twitter feed: > http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact Grant > [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe or to change your details on this > COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > > > > ___________________________________ There is a twitter feed: > http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact Grant > [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe or to change your details on this > COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > > > > -- > > *From: Mark Burton* > > *Scholar-Activist.* > > > > *Visiting Professor, Manchester Metropolitan University* > > *37 Chandos Rd South* > *Chorlton* > *Manchester* > *M21 0TH; UK* > > *Telephones:* > +44 (0)161 881 6887 landline > +44 (0)777 594 9479 mobile > skype name: markburton52 > > http://steadystatemanchester.net Steady State Manchester > > http://libpsy.org Liberation Psychology Network > > h <http://www.compsy.org.uk/>ttp://www.compsy.org.uk<http://www.compsy.org.uk/> > Community Psychology UK > > http://mmu.academia.edu/MarkBurton<#14062d16711bf6b6_http://mmu.academia.edu/MarkBurton> Academia.edu > profile > > http://uncommontater.net personal blog > > *Book: * Critical Community Psychology <http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1405188847,descCd-buy.html> > > *Report:* In Place of Growth: Practical steps to a Manchester where > people thrive without harming the planet.<http://steadystatemanchester.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/inplaceofgrowth_ipog_-content_final.pdf> > > [Boycott Amazon] > > ___________________________________ There is a twitter feed: > http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact Grant > [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe or to change your details on this > COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > > > > -- > > *From: Mark Burton* > > *Scholar-Activist.* > > > > *Visiting Professor, Manchester Metropolitan University* > > *37 Chandos Rd South* > *Chorlton* > *Manchester* > *M21 0TH; UK* > > *Telephones:* > +44 (0)161 881 6887 landline > +44 (0)777 594 9479 mobile > skype name: markburton52 > > http://steadystatemanchester.net Steady State Manchester > > http://libpsy.org Liberation Psychology Network > > h <http://www.compsy.org.uk/>ttp://www.compsy.org.uk<http://www.compsy.org.uk/> > Community Psychology UK > > http://mmu.academia.edu/MarkBurton<#14062d16711bf6b6_http://mmu.academia.edu/MarkBurton> Academia.edu > profile > > http://uncommontater.net personal blog > > *Book: * Critical Community Psychology <http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1405188847,descCd-buy.html> > > *Report:* In Place of Growth: Practical steps to a Manchester where > people thrive without harming the planet.<http://steadystatemanchester.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/inplaceofgrowth_ipog_-content_final.pdf> > > [Boycott Amazon] > > ___________________________________ There is a twitter feed: > http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact Grant > [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe or to change your details on this > COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > > > > *This email and any files transmitted with it were intended solely for > the addressee. 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