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Thanks, there are some excellent articles here. Jane Sent from my iPad On 4 Aug 2013, at 12:21, Paul Byers <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Apologies if someone has already passed on links to John Seddon. (my email provider has just suffered a service breakdown and is only just beginning to get a recovery process underway). > > For those that have not heard of him, John is a business psychologist that has taken a particular interest in systems thinking in the public sector. He’s known for his distinctive polemical style and his dismissal of any attempts to impose ‘lean thinking’ into public services. > > His material is available through at least two sites > > http://www.thesystemsthinkingreview.co.uk/ > > > http://www.systemsthinking.co.uk/9-2.asp > > and videos on Vimeo and YouTube. > > Hope this helps. > > > Paul Byers > Community Psychologist > http://linkd.in/eAI8pl > email:[log in to unmask] > Twitter:cpbyers > Mobile:07990905091 > Landline: 029 2022 7668 > Skype:paul.byers2 > > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Burton > Sent: 03 August 2013 16:10 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Lean in mental health care > > Oh, and nobody reads Clinical Psychology Forum - only some clinical psychologists - so that isn't where you need to take the debate. > > > > > ___________________ > Mark Burton > Scholar Activist; > Visiting Professor: Manchester Metropolitan University > http://steadystatemanchester.net > http://libpsy.org > http://www.compsy.org.uk > http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com > http://uncommontater.net > > 37 Chandos Rd South, Chorlton, Manchester, M21 0TH, UK > > Telephones: +44 (0)161 881 6887 landline > +44 (0)777 594 9479 mobile > skype name: markburton52 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Lean in mental health care > > I'd love to see an article in clinical psychology forum on this issue, again I think the absence of such writing in such a publication is significant, given the huge impact such management practices are having on all aspects of delivery of psychological services. If I wrote one under my name, I think I would be targeted though by my employer. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 2 Aug 2013, at 17:19, Penny Priest <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Yes, I think the business model has trumped the medical model in healthcare for years now, although some models, like the medical model, fit more naturally with business models. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jane Mitchell > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Lean in mental health care > > The medical director of the trust said it to service leads when the model was being introduced to the trust to which you referred. I agree with the lack of critical writing on this issue. I work as an inpatient psychologist and amusingly found myself reflecting with the consultant psychiatrist with whom I work that rather than the usual arguments between psychiatry and psychology about how to view distress, both professions now are struggling more with models of new public management of which lean is one, which tries to standardise and reduce everything to set protocols and procedures. This is coming to dominate the workplace so much now that there is little space left to have the old arguments that used to occur! Whilst critical and community thinkers continue to tackle the usual old problematic psychological and psychiatric discourses, are they ignoring or not addressing the impact of this new discourse which is becoming extremely powerful and which in it's own way may have extremely adverse effects on how those who are distressed and powerless, are viewed, constructed and treated? I wonder if the absence of such a critical and community commentary is significant in itself. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 2 Aug 2013, at 10:32, Penny Priest <[log in to unmask]> ___________________________________ There is a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact Grant [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe or to change your details on this COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > ___________________________________ There is a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact Grant [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe or to change your details on this COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK ___________________________________ There is a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK (to post contact Grant [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe or to change your details on this COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK