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Re: Data John and others discussing SMG and MOSI may be interested in this http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/oct/01/museum-gallery-visitor-figures-england-data You can look at museum visitor numbers for museums in England, including MOSI, Science Museum, Media Museum in comparison to others such as Tate, Imperial War Museum and so on. Amy. Dr Amy Sanders Engaging Science Telephone: (+44) 020 7611 8789 www.wellcome.ac.uk<http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/> The Wellcome Trust is a charity registered in England and Wales, no. 210183. Its sole trustee is The Wellcome Trust Limited, a company registered in England and Wales, no. 2711000 (whose registered office is at 215 Euston Road, London NW1 2BE, UK). From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Bibby Sent: 06 June 2013 10:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Reports that Manchester Museum of Science and Industry under threat of closure This whole discussion seems to be taking place in a data-free zone. Can we have some relevant stats please? e.g. Total turnover and visitor numbers, suitably broken down by age and sex ..... (Yes, that's me!) JOHN BIBBY PS: A nationality and class breakdown wd be useful too - I am sure the London sites have more than the 'northern outposts' - but how many of them are good UK citizens?! On 6 June 2013 09:54, Dominic McDonald <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Lyndsey's right, I think. This feels like SMG holding a gun to MOSI's head and saying "don't make me pull the trigger...". BUT... my understanding is that they are willing to pull the trigger if it comes to it. It does seem odd that MOSI is the one who's being publicly threatened, rather than York or Bradford (or Shildon or Wroughton). That's one of the reasons that it feels like they might be getting their retaliation in first in advance of the spending review. Having said which, the thing I don't know is the deficit that each site is running: it may be that MOSI is a much bigger drain on SMG's resources than the others. But my guess is that - all things being equal - if any of the "provincial" museums are going to get taken outside and shot, then it will be Bradford... even though they do lovely work, I think that politically they are the most expendable. Discuss. Let's all move to Norway: they've got loads of money up there.. Dom Dom McDonald Head of Public Engagement Science Oxford 1-5 London Place Oxford OX4 1BD Tel 01865 810000<tel:01865%20810000> DD 01865 810021<tel:01865%20810021> www.scienceoxford.com<http://www.scienceoxford.com> -----Original Message----- From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Lyndsey Clark Sent: 06 June 2013 09:29 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Reports that Manchester Museum of Science and Industry under threat of closure I'm afraid that for those of us working in museums this rehetoric is no surprise whatsoever. It's nothing to do with the 'north/south' divide.. (MOSI is not a 'national' which has a specific meaning in museums and NMSI - now SMG - took it over when DCMS abandoned it to local government because of that). I see this as round one of the propaganda campaign between SMG and the govt. - SMG are pointing out that having taken 25% cuts already and made 89 redundancies, if they are cut a further 10% then they WILL have to take DRASTIC ACTION. They have got in there first with this point... and the Manchester Evening News have nicely picked up the story and created a petition to show how much support there is for that museum. This will be what the SMG want. They don't want to shut anything... they want less of their funding cut.... The government are still trying to pretend that the cuts in cultural funding are all eliminating 'inefficiency' and those pesky 'backroom staff' who clearly do nothing useful (!?!?).... That is not true, and it's about time more museums stood up and pointed out that they are facing death by a thousand cuts and it cannot continue to have minimal effect on the really big things the public see (like how many museums are open). 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