Dear all: Thanks to Jude's son, I feel free to misuse the words (no as sign user but as designer, even as dilettante one), and join myself to you from Bogotá, to have the honor of drink a virtual beer with all of you (cheers for the proposal of Harold Nelson!?) following the example that gave to us Ken and Ben, here's my contribution, but I guess all of you already know this: [How beer saved the world] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdwYjFnFoJU Well when I was reading and enjoying this mail string... and after within a framework of epistemological lightness , I remember and advice Ken Friedman gave, in a post about design philosophy, to the then members of this list: Whatever one's interests may be, it seems to me most useful to say, "This is my interest among these many possibilities", well here comes mine: When I read the part in that Jude gave praise to the decision of Nigel Cross to coin the phrase "designerly ways of knowing", and I started to think about if it would be possible to speak over "designerly ways of feeling" or kind of, because when the matter of the beer made its appearance, all the participants in this written conversation entered a state of good feeling, fellowship and endearing amity that did the meeting of ideas a warm one, characterized by a link between the design of fire, with the design of language and finally with the design of the beer (or the design of the language over the beer). so I would like your opinion on two queries: 1. Since I am opposed to any superiority of mind over body, emotion over reason, thinking over emotion, and male over female, do you know about any studies of an approach to design, analogous to what has been theorized as "design thinkig" that we could call "design feeling" (to explain the kind of human merrymaking approach that appeared in this very string with the issue of beer)? Do you know any academic paper about it? 2. On the subject of if fire was discovered of designed, there is a passage of Willemien Visser's work, that I want to share with you: "In the comparison between design and discovery, Cagan et al. (2001) advance that "[highly creative] design activities are often labeled * invention*." The authors explain how the seemingly disparate activities" of discovery and invention are surprisingly similar (p. 442). The author's "major conclusion" of this comparison is that "at a deep level, the cognitive and computational processes that accomplish [design and discovery] are virtually identical" (p. 463). Their "real simlarity" is made up by "the underlying cognitive activities base on problem solving, pattern recognition, analogical reasoning, ant the cognitive knowledge retrieval mechanisms" (pp. 452-453). "The fundamental difference between the two is "the *goal *of the process: Scientific explanation versus creation of new artifact... Deisgn starts with a desired function and tries to synthesize a device that produces the function. Science starts with and exisiting function and tries to synthesize a mechanism that can plausibly accomplish or account for that function" (Cagan et. al., 2001, pp. 452-453). However 'their cognitive models of search, once the problem are defined, are the same" By the way, I know about Klaus' concerns about the cognitivism as you express in 8.2 of your *Semantic Turn *(pp. 278-279) but the above mentioned part makes sense to me, and intrigues me also. And, since, also, somehow, I share this notion: The core of phenomenology as Merleau-Ponty (2002) describes it is *'être au monde'*, which means not only being in the world but also belonging to it, having a relationship with it, interacting with it, perceiving it in all dimensions. Perceiving is an activity and our body and skills are an inextricable part of our perception. We perceive the world in terms of what we can do with it, and by physically interacting with it we access and express this meaning. Perception, through action, precedes cognition: reflection is a consequence of action. Moreover, we do not perceive ourselves as one more object in the world; we perceive ourselves as the point of view from which we perceive other objects. (Troto et. al 2011, no page number, [academia.edu version]). I can not stop thinking about this sentence: "Perception, through action, precedes cognition: reflection is a Consequence of action" Well in some way (forced, I admit) I connect *Perception, through action with design and invention*; and *cognition-reflection* with discovery and science... Then, the phrases can be "science follows design" or "discovery follows invention"? Please, gentlemen, give me some light, forgive my misuses of the words, and tell me what do you think? A drink to your health with a beer on your behalf, Greetings from Bogotá. References: Cagan, J., Kotovsky, K. & Simon H. A. (2001) Scientific discovery and inventive engineering design: Cognitive and computational similarities. In E. K. Antonsson & J. Cagan (Eds), Formal engineering design synthesis (pp. 442-465). Cambridge, England: Cambridge University Press. Krippendorff, K. (2006). *The semantic turn: A new foundation for design*. Boca Raton: CRC/Taylor & Francis. Trotto, A., Hummels, C.C.M. & Cruz Restrepo, M. (2011). Towards design-driven innovation: designing for points of view, using intuition through skills. In C. Cautela, A. Deserti, F. Rizzo & F. Zurlo (Eds.), Proceeding of the Proceedings of the Designing Pleasurable Products and Interfaces Conference 2011 (DPPI 2011), 22-25 June 2011, Milan, Italy, (pp. 3-9). Milan: Politecnico di Milano. http://www.academia.edu/1414922/Towards_design-driven_innovation_designing_for_points_of_view_using_intuition_through_skills Visser, W. (2006). *The cognitive artifacts of designing*. Mahwah, N.J: L. Erlbaum Associates. *MSc.** **Alfredo Gutiérrez Borrero * *(571) 2427030 ext 1739 * *http://www.utadeo.edu.co/programas/pregrados/diseno_industri/index.php * *Profesor Asociado Programa de Diseño Industrial* *Facultad de Artes y Diseño* *Universidad Jorge Tadeo Lozano* *Bogotá - Colombia, S.A.* * * *Lecturer Grade B (Britain equivalent) Instructor (USA equivalent) of Industrial Design * * School of Arts and Design Jorge Tadeo Lozano University Bogotá - Colombia, S.A. * ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------