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Kate, If you believe in your cause deeply enough (or really need an easier life), make a presentation to your SMT/ SLT meeting with a plan for getting your message to students at an appropriate time (not too early, as they'll forget), and to keep re-stating the rules, explaining that for a short-term pain, there will be long-term gain. Hopefully that will convince them to direct CMs to maybe follow this up at a class level. It also qualifies you for part of the BTEC award for Exams Officers (although I don't know if that's included in the new spec!!!). It's not quite 'shock and awe' but a well-placed hand grenade does have an effect. I saw that the Expressive Arts dept. had a technician outside their department taking names of late-comers one day, sending them away to do private study, and therefore making them absent on the register. They followed this up by putting students on a CM's report if they were 'absent' three times. I'm now thinking about doing a similar thing for exams, taking ID numbers at the door of anybody arriving after the official start time, and reporting to the relevant managers. However, this all needs SMT and Managers' approval, so a visit to the lion's den is needed next term! I'm afraid I can't let the students write in blood for health and safety reasons.... God knows what is in their bloodstream! Regards Paul King Exams Officer, Leyton Sixth Form College Tel: 020 8928 9135 Fax: 020 8928 9200 e-mail: [log in to unmask] From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kate Oliver Sent: 13 June 2013 17:41 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Edexcel Results I agree with you totally Paul. They are way too soft here, everything is handed to them on a plate and they are molly-coddled and babied into oblivion. They are supposed to have clamped down on lateness in class but that lasted about a month as none of the Curriculum Managers could be bother patrolling the corridors and entrances to collar the students. Dress code - well if you class a belt that just about covers your cheeks a skirt and if your trousers can hang down to your knees and we can see your grundies then we have a strict dress code!!! No most of them do wear clothes to college it's the Performing Arts, Hair & Beauty ones who forget to put something on before they leave home!!! As for pens etc, next year I am not going to provide them so they will have to find something sharp to access a vein and write in blood. Tomorrow with the GCSE Maths paper, I reckon 60% of them won't have brought a calculator. Well I'll be making a stand tomorrow as I have unfortunately "lost" all the calculators we had last year so there won't be any spares to hand out!!!! I was saying to my team earlier, if we didn't have students it would be so much easier :) Kate From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Paul King Sent: 13 June 2013 17:33 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results Apologies Kate, but that's plain wrong! As you say, unless they have a good, provable excuse then they have to accept that you may not be able to offer them the chance of the full time allowance. We hold back any students who arrive once the announcement has been started until the candidates in the hall have started writing, and then allow the late-comers in. We get a bit of attitude, but I always state "it's you who's late, not us!". They don't get the extra minute or so added on. The later arrivals DO get the full time, because we are nice and helpful, but I believe I would get management backing if I could show that I couldn't help on any occasion. Would a hard line with students from the beginning make them buckle down and do their best all round? That would mean a sea-change of ethos at the college, starting with the teachers at enrolment and induction. When I threw a wobbly at half the AS Psychology students not having a pen in their exam two years ago, I sent an all-staff snot-mail stating candidates would now only get a pen if their one was faulty, and that we would sell pens outside the Sports Hall for £1.00. I expected a teacher backlash, but ALL the e-mails were supportive, and agreed they should do the same in lessons!!!! If the standards are high from the start (punctuality, dress code, respect) they can be maintained - and it shows in the results. But I know I'm preaching to the converted on this forum! Keep your chin up! Regards Paul King Exams Officer, Leyton Sixth Form College Tel: 020 8928 9135 Fax: 020 8928 9200 e-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Kate Oliver Sent: 13 June 2013 16:50 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results Ha ha ha you funny!!!! I wish I didn't have to think about them but I do....as Exams Manager I have to maximise achievement levels at all costs so if this means letting the pixies sit again and again and again and......... I do. Personally I would like to lock the doors come 9am and 1.30pm and not let anyone who is late in (unless I know they have a valid reason i.e. transport delays, like we had this morning when around 5 miles round college was jammed up) but they go an complain to SMT that I'm mean or the invigilators are breaking the rules or discriminating so we have to let them in over and over again. I had 2 girls complain on the first day as they were 10 mins late and the invigilator used "his discretion" and said they had to finish when everyone else did as the invigilators were not staying on after their booked time and they made a complaint and I've had to apply for special con for them both!!!! Kate From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Sarah Cassel-Gerard Sent: 13 June 2013 16:14 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results Ah but there lies a point.....YOU don't have to think about the college's achievement rates, senior management do, but they shouldn't ask you to compromise the rules in order to achieve that. I sympathise...nothing worse than a lily-livered SMT...they should look firmly at their own door when they send their students into the workplace who are unable to follow instructions, follow rules, or listen to authority :( Sarah Cassel-Gerard Examinations Officer Esher College Centre 64785 0208 398 0291 ext 318 0208 335 2531 (direct line) [ball2] From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Kate Oliver Sent: 13 June 2013 16:10 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results I've tried that but just get told "let them in you have to think about our achievement rates" !!!!! From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Cassel-Gerard Sent: 13 June 2013 16:02 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results Kate those may be the basic rules but I use 'at the discretion of the centre' and 'depending on the centre's organisational arrangements' to full effect. I have it written on my exam policy that we do not automatically allow students the full time, depending on the reason they are late, and I never guarantee that I can staff an exam that goes beyond what I have planned for, therefore that makes a good reason why they cannot finish late because of a late start. We have strong words with anyone who is late and doesnt appear mortified and their reputation is noted so if it happens again we know not to let them have the full time. Sarah Cassel-Gerard Examinations Officer Esher College Centre 64785 0208 398 0291 ext 318 0208 335 2531 (direct line) [ball2] From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Kate Oliver Sent: 13 June 2013 15:53 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results Does anyone else find it frustrating that JCQ allow lateness without question. Our teachers keep being asked what the Board's rules on lateness are and of course we have to tell them the following and then the students start tacking the mickey as they know our invigilators will be able to stay or Exams will help out or a teacher will help out. 14. Candidates who arrive late 14.1 A candidate who arrives after the start of the examination may be allowed to enter the examination room and sit the examination. This is entirely at the discretion of the centre 14.2 A candidate who arrives after the start of the examination should be allowed the full time for the examination, depending on the centre's organisational arrangements and provided adequate supervision arrangements are in place. We have several students who are playing the system and turning up either just before ½ hour late or 45 mins late and of course they are permitted the full exam time and they know that it is only when they are very late that they have to be reported to the Board. I'm of the "old fashioned" opinion, it seems, that you can be as late as you want for your exam (say up to an hour) and you won't get penalised and you can have all your exam time and invigilators will have to hang around just for you to finish your exam. In the good old days, if you were late you weren't allowed to sit unless you had a cast iron alibi for not being there on time. Plus if you didn't bring your pen/pencil etc you weren't allowed to sit. These days we have to baby them so much and even supply the brain cells for them to do the exam or we're seen as discriminating against them. Grrrrrrrrrrrr Now I've just had to write to C & G to disqualify 2 little mares who were f'ing and blinding at the invigilator in their FS Maths test as they had decided they was being "punished" and mistreated by being made to sit it!!!!!!!!!!!! Both are now on a disciplinary and won't be able to finish their Hairdressing qual off!!!!! Shame. Kate From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Heath Sent: 13 June 2013 15:17 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results Nor us, they are precious to us and we mustn't do anything to upset them. They can bring their mobiles in, let them ring but don't shout at them or anything, similarly they can verbally abuse you and you just have to take it! Sorry for the winge - but not a very happy bunny!!!! Karen KAREN HEATH - Examinations Officer Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Hartlepool Sixth Form College, Brinkburn, Blakelock Road, Hartlepool, TS25 5PF | 01429 294444 | www.hpoolsfc.ac.uk<http://www.hpoolsfc.ac.uk> From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Joyce Forster Sent: 13 June 2013 15:15 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results I wish I was allowed to do that. We're not allowed to upset the little darlings. From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Grantham Anna Sent: 13 June 2013 3:11 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results Like your thinking Chris From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hemming, Christopher (Hills Road Staff) Sent: 13 June 2013 15:05 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results I created my own "official looking" form for those who arrive late but not very late. At the end of the exam those arriving late without a good reason are made to sit at their exam desk and complete the "form" which very much inconveniences them..... bit like lines in detention! Remember them? Chris Hemming Examinations Officer Hills Road Sixth Form College | Cambridge CB2 8PE [New_HRSFC_Logo_300x60] *Direct line 01223 278027 | Fax 01223 278070 | [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Grantham Anna Sent: 13 June 2013 14:14 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results Hi All Can someone help me out here? I had a student who arrived very late into an exam: too late to not record but not late enough for an official VLA form. Somewhere in the depths of my brain I recall filling out a form before to log lateness so we have a record but it doesn't have to go to the board and I cant find this anywhere. Am I dreaming or is there really a form out there. Many thanks Anna Mrs Anna Grantham Examinations Officer Hinchingbrooke School Telephone: 01480 375700 Ext 5706 From: The FE Exams Network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Duncan Buck Sent: 06 June 2013 09:10 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Edexcel Results Cath Edexcel are still issuing these. However, there is a "feature" on Edexcelonline that allows any of the users to opt the centre in or out of receiving these, and inexperienced users (aka Tutors) can do this inadvertently. Regards Duncan Duncan Buck Exams Co-ordinator Herefordshire College of Technology DDI: 01432 365315 Int: x315 Group Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Please remind students that NO Mobile Phones, iPods, MP3/4 players, or any device with electronic storage are to be taken into examination rooms, and that Photo ID has to be shown for all examinations >>> Cath Smith <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> 6/6/2013 8:37 am >>> Hi All We have not received any pin cards this year for students to register to be able to receive their EDEXCEL results online, I seem to remember getting correspondence from EDEXCEL earlier in the year that this system was changing, my questions are Has anyone else received a pin card? Did I imagine the system was changing? 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