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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I like "succour and salvation", not only for the alliteration, but also because the first term, "remedium" seems to apply specifically to assistance in purgatory. Frans van Liere School of Historical Studies Institute for Advanced Study 1 Einstein Drive Princeton NJ 08540 >>> Louise Hampson <[log in to unmask]> 05/23/13 8:45 AM >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I wouldn't personally use 'salvation' as a translation, but I don't think the distinction is between the souls of the living and the dead. Instead I think it is defining a two-stage process to be undergone by the soul which captures the idea of some kind of remedial process being necessary then preservation of the newly-restored soul from further slurs and hurts. So something like 'healing and preserving' or ' succour and keep safe' - neither are very elegant, but I think this is the meaning intended. Louise Hampson On 23 May 2013 11:37, Laura Jacobus <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > I'm trying to tease out the possible subtleties in two bits of legal > Latin, and thought I'd combine them in a single query. Both seem almost > tautologous, but presumably fine distinctions are being drawn and I wonder > what those might be. > > 1) 'divinus cultus ac divina officia' The obvious translation is 'divine > cult and divine offices', but I wonder if there is a distinction meant > between high/low public/private masses, or between masses and other kinds > of liturgical ceremony? Elsewhere in the same document comes the phrase 'ad > cultum divinum et obsequia oportuna', apparently intended to cover the same > range of meanings. Both refer to requirements on clergy to perform the > said rites, whatever they are. > > 2) 'remedium et salutem' as in 'anime sue suorumque predecessorum > remedium et salutem'. Niermeyer gives 'salvation' for both, but I wonder if > there is a distinction being drawn between what happens to the souls of the > living and those of the dead, and if so how one might translate that. > Healing for the souls of the living, salvation for the dead? > > All ideas gratefully received as ever. > > Laura > > -- > Dr. Laura Jacobus > Senior Lecturer in History of Art > Birkbeck College, University of London > > For details of my book on Giotto and the Arena Chapel see > http://www.brepols.net/Pages/ShowProduct.aspx?prod_id=IS-9781905375127-1 > ********************************************************************** To > join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: > [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: > unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to > report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] For further information, visit > our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion -- *Louise Hampson* *Development Officer* *The Centre for the Study of Christianity and Culture* *Berrick Saul Building Room 119* *University of York* *York* *YO10 5DD* * *Find us on *Facebook* at http://www.facebook.com/ChristianityAndCulture *www.christianityandculture.org.uk * * **Tel: +44 (0)1904 328095* * * *Times Higher Education University of the Year 2010 * *EMAIL DISCLAIMER **http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm* ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion