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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: Ms B M Cook <[log in to unmask]> >I have at least one Breton charter of the mid 12th C where the Chapter at Nantes appears to have two Deans witnessing the document. the "Series Decanorum" for the cathedral of Nantes given in GC, XIV, cc. 839ff seems to be quite "regular" in the 12th c. to me --only one Dean at a time, with some lacunae, but no multiples. could one of your deans be from another diocese (or, as i suggested, another --lesser-- sort of "dean") and is listed among the witnesses just because he happened to be present when the charter was written up? original 12th c. charters are rather scrupulous about maintaining an hierarchy in their lists, according to the rank of the individuals. are the two Deans listed together, or is one of them somewhat farther down the witness list? (if the latter, then it would certainly suggest that the second guy was not a Dean of Nantes --or even a Dean of any cathedral, but one of lesser rank.) in a lot of the 12th c. charters i have seen a part of the title (either "decanus" or the name of the church the guy was Dean of) was superscripted above the other part. frequently, these superscriptions proved to be something of a headache for editors, and they just left them out. (though the really good eds. certainly included them --is your charter edited from an original or a cartulary or other sort of copy?) i'm sending you the GC page in question off list. is one of your Deans (or both) in that list? c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion