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Hi all,

I have asked AMEG people on this list to lay off on geoengineering, as 
Mark requested.  I hope we have not so irritated others on this list, 
that you don't want any postings from any of us on any subject!  People 
should only be thrown off the list if they disregard clear guidelines.

I have read Jon's warning, but I don't think it is necessary for the 
list to die, and, personally, I value the list.  In particular, I see 
the list as serving a useful purpose for discussions of a wide variety 
of crises - monopolisation on any one of which would be unfortunate.   
Is that what others think?

Cheers,

John

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On 30/04/2013 19:27, Jon Bishop FRSA wrote:
> Based on my experience, I expect as a result of this decision that the 
> list will probably die.
>
> There are rules for "killing" online communities. If one doesn't do 
> them when killing the community (i.e. Telling people not to talk about 
> Geo-engineering on the list) there will be resentment. If one does 
> them when one doesn't want the community to die, it usually will. 
> Derek Powazek's book is useful:
> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ihuPBYo4p4C&lpg=PP1&hl=fr&pg=PA248#v=onepage&q&f=false 
> <http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ihuPBYo4p4C&lpg=PP1&hl=fr&pg=PA248#v=onepage&q&f=false>
>
> You can see that users are being blamed for issues that should be 
> considered normal - discussing "off-topic" issues.
>
>     * Ample warning hasn't been provided, people are told what is
>       happening with no say in it.
>     * De-facto the servers are being "shut-off" because people are
>       being told to leave.
>     * Closure has not been offered.
>
> But on the plus side, alternatives are being enabled!
>
> I think it would be a good idea for the admins (and others) to read 
> the following section of Derek Powazek's book and the paper by Jenny 
> Preece.
> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ihuPBYo4p4C&lpg=PP1&hl=fr&pg=PA191#v=onepage&q&f=false 
> <http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ihuPBYo4p4C&lpg=PP1&hl=fr&pg=PA191#v=onepage&q&f=false>
> http://www.itu.dk/people/petero/speciale/Empathic%20communities.pdf
>
> Best,
>
> Jonathan Bishop
>
>
>
>
> On 30 April 2013 09:33, Mark Levene <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>     dear Forumers,
>
>     Having spoken at length with John Nissen (otherwise convener of
>     AMEG) we
>     have come to a resolution of the crisis affecting the Crisis Forum
>     JISC-List. This crisis has arisen as a consequence of the
>      continual and
>     repeated posting about geo-engineering, from  a specific group of AMEG
>     members.  While John has demurred on the possibility of  a separate
>     geo-engineering discussion list under the umbrella of CF, John has
>     agreed
>     that geo-engineering should in future be discussed off(CF)list. CF
>     members
>     who have an interest in geo-engineering, of course, are free to
>     join the
>     AMEG  or another geo-engineering list. However, if there is a
>     notification
>     to be made of some significant event or new development with
>     reference to
>     geo-engineering/the Arctic emergency, which might be of interest to CF
>     members, then John, or someone else nominated by the AMEG group and
>     recognised as such by the CF moderators, will forward it to the
>     JISC-list.
>
>     While this formula still enables members of AMEG to participate in
>     broader
>     CF discussions if they so wish, any inclination towards reviving
>     geo-engineering on the CF List by these specific discussants, will
>     henceforth  receive polite request to continue on the AMEG list,
>     not ours.
>     Those who persist will be removed from the Crisis Forum JISC list.
>     I have
>     asked John to write a brief note to the CF JISC-List confirming
>     acceptance
>     of the above.
>
>     Further information about Rescue!History and a new CF specialist group
>     initiative will follow very shortly.
>
>     with thanks
>     mark
>
>
>