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Thank you so much all for your thoughts on that. I feel that a session in the June’s day event on PGCert would a great way to start thinking of the future of this type of programmes. You see I often see myself doing exactly what Herbert Marcuse warned us about “functioning as a pressure cooker letting off enough steam to prevent the whole pot from boiling over”! This quote goes well with Simon Atkison’s comment (with which I fully sympathise) when he wrote We've 'designed in' to the PGCert what we hope are challenging ideas around radical education (hooks) and transformative education (Mezirow) but I have to say we don't shout too loudly about their role in the programme's design.”. Also, Debby’s point, which is so true for the job we do “ I don’t really see it (meaning PGCerts) as having ‘more of’ this or that topic, but more about a general slant of the particular programme you are running which aligns with the institutional agendas where you work “ perhaps needs to be explored in more depth during the day. What are our institutional agendas? How much room s there in a programme like a PGCCPP to negotiate this agenda and even change it? A recent example from a session I ran in our PGCPP using the Carpe Diem approach of curriculum design, many of our academics told me that the idea of employability (in a marker oriented HE), which is Aston’s flag, does not agree with their instinct as academics or even as professionals. The water started to boil about this topic....and I felt like the steam cooker...trying to let some steam out...but still cook the food! What could be a good idea for a session in the day event would be maybe a max 10 minutes presentation from say 6 people who are willing to talk about a ‘topic’ or an ‘approach’ that they wish that their programme had time to include and the reasons why? Not of what we do best but what we wish to do should we had either the time or even the right conditions to do so. I’ll stop here! Thanks a lot again for all your replies so far! ________________________________ From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Debby Cotton [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 14 March 2013 08:58 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: is the notion of Radical Education explored enough within the UK PGCCerts? Yes, Plymouth too has sustainability embedded in the PGCert and also has an optional study module dealing with sustainability in the curriculum and elsewhere. We also have the Centre for Sustainable Futures still being led by Stephen Sterling and a whole programme of curriculum development around sustainability across the university. Like Brighton, sustainability is a key issue in the Corporate Plan, L&T strategy etc etc. As far as the PGCAP goes, I don’t really see it as having ‘more of’ this or that topic, but more about a general slant of the particular programme you are running which aligns with the institutional agendas where you work – clearly sustainability is key for us, but it might be very different elsewhere. I also agree with John about the importance of allowing participants to study in greater depth a topic which is of interest to them. For those who are interested in finding out more about embedding sustainability in PGCert and wider Educational Development work, here’s a bit of self-promotion for our recent SEDA Special! Seda Special 31 Putting the 'S' into ED - Education for Sustainable Development in Educational Development Edited by: Debby Cotton, Stephen Sterling, Vivian Neal and Jennie Winter Best wishes, Debby Professor Debby Cotton Head of Educational Development with Pedagogic Research, PedRIO Fellow, Room 107, 3 Endsleigh Place, Plymouth University, Devon PL4 8AA Tel: 01752 587614 http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/staff/dcotton http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/pages/view.asp?page=28108 Follow me on Twitter: @profdcotton<http://twitter.com/#!/dcotton11> [Description: FOR-EMAIL] From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gina Wisker Sent: 14 March 2013 06:38 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: is the notion of Radical Education explored enough within the UK PGCCerts? aha the one at Brighton definitely does!!! and the new LT strategy has social justice and critical professionalisim and global citizenship as well as employability and internationalisation and students as co producers of knowledge - all of which aren't radical as such ???but are definitely values oriented and enable/prompt critical thinking - so these are introduced in the PGCertHE and they are or will be infused into the curriculum - sustainability has been a big underpinning and infusing value - theres case studies of it ithroughout elements of the curriculum (on our website CLT at Brighton ) My goodness -sorry -Im sounding like 'corporate man!' anyway the main issue I think is considering how this /these values are infused into the curriculum beyond the PGCertHE as well as practices. (Bradford has ecoversity -there must be example we can share of this ???ie values in practice in the PGCert and beyond?:) Gina ________________________________ From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of BLAND TOMKINSON [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 13 March 2013 23:01 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: is the notion of Radical Education explored enough within the UK PGCCerts? And how many PGCerts have any reference to sustainability issues and how to address them within the curriculum? Bland From: Julie hall <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2013, 19:16 Subject: Re: is the notion of Radical Education explored enough within the UK PGCCerts? Hi SEDA are holding a symposium on pg certs in June . Why not kick off the discussipn then? You are very welcome Panos? J ----- Original Message ----- From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Wed Mar 13 17:12:00 2013 Subject: Re: is the notion of Radical Education explored enough within the UK PGCCerts? Count me in, Panos, the symposium sounds like a great idea. On our PG Cert I try to pepper it with some of these ideas, but I think it’s tough on a 60-credit course because of all the other demands which are all jostling for position. I’m sure we are all get the same emails from people – why not more on employability; why not more on international students; why not more on sustainability??? – and so on. I suppose I would say that some ideas are overarching – about what is HE for – and some are more like flavour of the month – but that is apt to cause offence, particularly if you see flavour of the month as overarching! One way I deal with it is to have a research project on the programme, to let people explore the ideas that they are interested in, emphasising that it’s not what’s taught, but the space the programme allows for exploration. That said I do try to cover some of this ground in a module I run on `Contextualising HE’. It tends to get the most favourable feedback, but is quite a long way from the UK PSF. But perhaps I just don’t design the module that well??? John ------------------------------------------------------------ John Lea Learning and Teaching Enhancement Unit Canterbury Christ Church University ________________________________________ From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf of Vlachopoulos, Panos [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] Sent: 13 March 2013 16:10 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: is the notion of Radical Education explored enough within the UK PGCCerts? Dear colleagues, I wonder how many institutions that run PGCerts in HE or similar explore with the idea of 'Radical Curricula' and 'Radical Education'? Do we recommend readings by Stephen Brookfield or journals like http://www.radicalteacher.org/recent.asp ? Are there PGCerts that have as part of their 60 credits provision a module on Adult Critical Theory and Practice? Any information more than welcome! I would be also interested in co-organizing a symposium day with this theme...if anyone interested? best wishes Panos Dr Panos Vlachopoulos, B.Ed,M.Ed,PhD,FHEAProgramme Director PGCPP/ Lecturer in Academic Practice Centre for Learning Innovation and Professional Practice Aston University Birmingham B4 7ETUK Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this email or its attachments. Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. 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