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Ditto Canterbury Christ Church. We’ve just had our CPD framework accredited, giving staff access to all the HEA fellowships, but we expect those with less than one year’s UK HE teaching experience to take one of our taught routes (either PG Cert or associate tutors – the latter for those on contracts below 0.5, GTAs, HE in FE, etc.); between 1-3 yrs we say negotiate with HoD between taught and non-taught; and above 3 yrs we say non-taught route. On some of the other points, I would say, yes, it’s important that the HEA has a list of accredited provision (which it does), but surely it should be up to each university to decide for whom anything will be compulsory or optional within that accredited provision, which should also include the decision as to whether a taught or non-taught route is best for particular staff members??? John ------------------------------------------------------------ John Lea Learning and Teaching Enhancement Unit Canterbury Christ Church University ________________________________________ From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Blackmore, Paul [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 04 March 2013 16:47 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: UK PG certs: compulsory or not? At King's College London we have a PGCap in HE. Probationary staff are required to undertake the programme. There are no plans to change this. As at Exeter, a new CPD programme will require staff to have three years' experience if they are to take that route. Best wishes Paul Professor Paul Blackmore Director, King's Learning Institute King's College London James Clerk Maxwell Building 57 Waterloo Road London SE1 8WA Tel: 020 7848 3329 Fax: 020 7848 3523 -----Original Message----- From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane MacKenzie Sent: 04 March 2013 13:22 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: UK PG certs: compulsory or not? Thanks to all of you who have replied on and off the list. It might be useful to me to explain our current context (and it seems as if this might be shared by several of you). We currently have a PGcert that is compulsory for all new academic staff (unless they have FHEA or have completed a PGcert elsewhere). Like many of you, we're also in the process of developing a CPD framework; the PGcert will be accredited within the framework and our intention/wish is that the PGcert is still seen as the normal route to recognition at D2. However, our PGcert will be reviewed in the very near future and as part of that review, there may well be an argument for moving away from mandatory PGcert. I want to back up our argument that the PGcert should remain a normal expectation hence my original question. My colleague Amanda Sykes has started collating this type of information via the HEA and institutional websites but has found it difficult to ascertain compulsory/mandatory nature of provision. She has included the data that's so far been provided in this discussion but has agreed to include more info and share it. So, if you would like to share it would be useful if you could send Amanda the following info over the next couple of weeks (she's copied into this email). 1. PGcert? - yes/no 2. If yes - compulsory? - yes/no and for whom? 3. Has compulsory nature changed (i.e. from compulsory PGcert to reduced requirement or vice versa, etc.) Amanda will pull this all together and we'll send round to the list when the two weeks are up. And if any of you have any words of wisdom about how to handle the review (we've been here before... sigh), then do let me know. Thanks, in advance Cheers, jane -----Original Message----- From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Fung, Dilly Sent: 03 March 2013 11:11 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: UK PG certs: compulsory or not? We take a very similar approach to this at Exeter. We want all of our early career colleagues to complete our PCAP programme (which explores academic practice in the round, including dimensions of research), thereby gaining HEA Fellowship in the process, rather than getting the Fellowship via our ASPIRE accredited CPD route. In order to help with this, we built into our ASPIRE submission the requirement for staff to have at least three years FTE experience of teaching and/or supporting students' learning in HE before they can apply for Fellowship via this 'individual claim' route. An interesting discussion - thanks to all participants... All good wishes Dilly Dr Dilly Fung Senior Lecturer and Head of Academic Development University of Exeter [log in to unmask] ________________________________________ From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Wheeler, Anne [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 01 March 2013 06:56 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: UK PG certs: compulsory or not? At Aston we have a similar position to Newcastle. We discussed this point at our University L&T committee and decided that the PGCert and FHEA were not equivalent. The PGCert at Aston is compulsory for all staff that are new to teaching and serves a different, but complimentary, purpose to the CPD route at Aston for Fellowship. We want to use our accredited scheme to encourage our staff to keep engaging in L&T over their careers at Aston, and hopefully strive to gain SFHEA and PFHEA in due course. It is possible to record both on the University system/HESA returns and we feel that this valuable. Regards, Anne Director, Centre for Learning Innovation and Professional Practice Aston University On 28 Feb 2013, at 18:10, "Richard Young" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > It seems to me that within around 12 months the Academy will have a very good idea of where and how the Professional Standards for those teaching and supporting learning in HE are being used - that is surely their focus. If and how that will be made public is less clear to me, though HESA data will provide some of the information as Peter says. > > As Graham indicates, whether people use a PG Certificate as a route to the standards would seem to be no longer very relevant from the Academy's perspective. At Newcastle we have decided that a PG Certificate route remains a valuable form of initial professional development; like others we are also aiming to integrate that effectively with other CPD over a range of academic practice. Part of our PG Certificate is compulsory, Jane. > > If as I suppose, each institution wishes to decide on its own model then because the UK PSF accreditation is of the institution and not of the programme, it is now less useful to compare requirements to undertake programmes. In the same vein and in response to Penny, equity/ consistency of treatment across an institution is important for accreditation and I imagine will also be for Institutional Audit purposes. > > For what it's worth, I think it is not very likely that PG Certs of any kind will be distinguished from PSF achievements in league tables. > > Yours, > Richard. > -- > Dr Richard YOUNG > Professional Development Manager > Staff Development Unit, Ground Floor North, King George VI Building, > Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU, United Kingdom > Telephone +44 (0)191 222 3607 Fax +44 (0)191 222 5281 > [log in to unmask] > www.ncl.ac.uk/staffdev/workshops/programmes/academic/index.htm > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development >> Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Burden, Penny >> Sent: 28 February 2013 10:12 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: UK PG certs: compulsory or not? >> >> But is the question more about practice within individual institutions? >> Are PGCerts compulsory for staff working in particular universities? >> This is something I am very interested in as our new Education >> Strategy states that staff new to teaching are required to complete the PGCert as >> a condition of probation. At present, some Faculties in my institution >> do make this a condition of probation but it isn't consistent across >> the University as far as I can see. >> >> Penny >> >> >> Penny Burden >> PL/Course Director PGCLTHE >> Academic Development Centre >> Kingston University >> Millennium House >> ext. 62773 >> >> 0208 4172773 >> http://www.kingston.ac.uk/academic-development-centre/postgraduate- >> certificate/ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development >> Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Fran Beaton >> Sent: 28 February 2013 10:05 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: UK PG certs: compulsory or not? >> >> I absolutely endorse this - the HEAS must surely keep lists and >> details of the programme they accredit......... mustn't they? >> >> Fran >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development >> Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Graham Lewis >> [gjl] >> Sent: 28 February 2013 09:58 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: UK PG certs: compulsory or not? >> >> I keep saying this, but the HEA should be able to provide us with >> this sort of national picture. Most PGCerts are accredited by them >> or form part of local CPD frameworks that are also accredired by HEA. >> >> Graham >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development >> Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane MacKenzie >> Sent: 27 February 2013 15:46 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: UK PG certs: compulsory or not? >> >> Hello everyone >> >> I know this has been discussed on the SEDA list before but can anyone >> point me in the direction of some info about what proportion of UK >> HEIs currently have compulsory PGCerts as part of academic probation. >> Apols if there is a really obvious way of finding this... >> >> David Gosling's paper from 2011 >> http://www.davidgosling.net/default.asp?iId=KEHLH states that 62.2% >> of HEIs make the pgcert mandatory (at least on paper) but I was >> wondering if there has been a shift over the past couple of years >> with the changes in HEA structures and processes and the requirement >> in England and Wales to report teaching qualifications to HESA. This >> would make me think that the number of compulsory pg certs would be >> on the increase yet with the introduction of CPD frameworks the converse might be true. >> >> Any pointers/info gratefully received. >> >> Cheers, jane >> >> Dr Jane MacKenzie >> Head of Academic Development Unit >> >> Learning and Teaching Centre >> University of Glasgow >> 64 Southpark Avenue, >> G12 8LB >> Tel: 0141-330 4863 >> >> The University of Glasgow, charity number SC004401 >> >> This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email >> Security System. >> >> This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email >> Security System. >